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826D specs,

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ChadS

01-30-2005 09:10:19




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How good are the German diesil engines in the 826? I have one with a bad crankshaft, wondering if it would be worth to rebuild. Is there a diffeence in the injection system on these engines? Better design, or??? Have heard they were direct injection, and have no clue what that means,, Would someone enlighten me on the 826 pros, and cons? The TA is out, and has been altered to run direct drive, The farmer that had it bought it new, and said he had installed a shaft to bypass the TA,,, I dont have it apart yet to even conclude the crank is bad yet, would be great if ut was a broken skirt off the piston,, (fingers crossed,) Has a Factory cab on it, fast hitch, 5500 hrs I think,, Are these just a hopped up 806, or they like the 856 and like size tractors? Does run, but it wont stay running long enough to hear it knock, starts up, misses, sputters, and right back down again. Thought it might be a good second workhorse, or maybe a puller, Decisions, decisions,,, any info would be great! ChadS

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Tim Malin

01-31-2005 15:35:26




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 Re: 826D specs, in reply to ChadS, 01-30-2005 09:10:19  
Hey Chad. Sounds like that machine has its list of problems. However, my grandfather told me that the cost of an overhaul for that tractor (VERY expensive, but I don't have the numbers off hand) the 826 would pay the cost of the overhaul off just in its fuel efficiency. Runs circles around our other IH's whiile they're at the fuel tanks. Great tractor, decent power, but depending on price, I don't know what you would want to invest into this tractor. Good luck, and keep us posted. Tim

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K.B.-826

01-30-2005 19:08:29




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 Re: 826D specs, in reply to ChadS, 01-30-2005 09:10:19  
26 series was built from 69-71, during the 56 series. An 826 is basically an 856 with a 358 German instead of a 407. It has 92 horsepower, and was meant to better compete with the 94 horsepower 4020, than the 100 horsepower 856 did. Direct injection means that the fuel is injected directly into the cylinder, unlike the D-236 and D-282, which have prechambers. The 358 can be a very expensive engine to overhaul.

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ChadS

01-31-2005 07:04:13




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 Re: 826D specs, in reply to K.B.-826, 01-30-2005 19:08:29  
My next question is, about the direct drive shaft clamied to be installed in this one. TA is out, does this mean, they made them with out a TA, or is it stuck on the high side of the TA? I was thinking they were a hydrostatic shifted TA in these models, Dunno either. LOL. What combines did the 361-407 come in? Thanks! ChadS



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K.B.-826

01-31-2005 19:00:39




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 Re: 826D specs, in reply to ChadS, 01-31-2005 07:04:13  
Chad, the TA in the bigger tractors is nothing like the Super M-TA style, which is called the Mechanical TA. Anything with more than 70 horsepower built from '63-'85, from the 706 to the 3688, had the Hydraulic TA.

Instead of using a planetary like the mechanical TA, the hydraulic TA was basically just two sets of constant mesh gears at the front of the speed transmission, one ratio for direct, and a lower ratio for TA.

With the lever ahead, the Multiple Control Valve, or MCV, sends oil from the MCV pump to a hydraulic clutch pack, which locks the drive gear of the direct ratio gear set to the input shaft.

When the lever is pulled back, the oil pressure is dumped from the hydraulic clutch pack, unlocking it. A sprague clutch, located between the drive gear of the lower ratio gear set and the input shaft instantly locks up. The MCV sends oil pressure to a hydraulic brake pack located between the sprague clutch and the input shaft, to keep the sprague clutch from freewheeling.

There are many reasons why these TA's fail. Leakage in the MCV, TA, steering, lube, or brake circuts; abuse such as flying in off the road with a heavy load and shifting to TA to attempt to slow down will fry the brake pack. Water in the oil will flake the linings off of the clutch and brake disks. Leaving it in direct all of the time will cause flat spots to wear on the sprague clutch, which will then fail as soon as someone tries to use it. Misadjustment will cause hard shifting of the speed and range transmissions.

As with any tractor, even the Super M-TA, the TA was always just an option. We have a 706 that came from the factory with no TA. There are many ways to eliminate the TA, ranging from taking off the handle and throwing it in the toolbox to installing a plain input shaft with just the direct ratio gearset, which is what the factory non-TA tractors have.

The 361 was never used in a combine. The 407 was used in the very first 815's, DT-407 in the very first 915's. It is very hard to find these combines with these engines. If you are considering a combine engine repower, stay away from the 310 in the 715, unless you are good at making your own parts. At first glance, this engine makes perfect sense, since it is the little brother to the 358. However, the tractor flywheel will not bolt up to it's crankshaft.

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TP from Central PA

01-30-2005 15:28:14




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 Re: 826D specs, in reply to ChadS, 01-30-2005 09:10:19  
By all means I'd rebuild it..... ....The Germans are a great running engine that just SIP fuel. My grandfather has one and it is a great tractor. They do start a tad hard in the cold, but run well and are cheap to run. I was told they won't quite run with an 856, but it is close.



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JJK

01-30-2005 12:42:46




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 Re: 826D specs, in reply to ChadS, 01-30-2005 09:10:19  
Everybody that I've talked to about their German diesel engines, they really like them. Lot of them seem to get 10,000+ hours out of them when their taken care of. But they are more $$$$ for overhauling them especially if you need major parts like a crank. First pull the pan and take a close look to see if the crank is broke or anything else, if it all looks ok inside maybe you just have a problem in the fuel system. If everything else on the tractor works good and can justify the engine repair, go ahead, other wise I would agree with parting it out. From what I've been told about the 826 is that they were the economy tractor (price wise) back then to compete with JD's 4020, so its not the most prized tractor unless you have the gold demonstrator. Hopefully somebody else can add to this or even correct my statment.

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Allan in NE

01-30-2005 09:40:46




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 Re: 826D specs, in reply to ChadS, 01-30-2005 09:10:19  
Dunno Chadd,

Sounds like a real steep uphill pull on that one. You might consider parting it out? :>(

Allan



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