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Adam R

01-28-2005 16:46:48

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Hey guys I have a question about my 756.
The water manifold which is above and behind the exaust manifold, is leaking coolent and I was wondering if there is anything special I need to do while removeing and installing the manifold to replace the gaskets.

Adam

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K.B.-826

01-29-2005 19:35:43

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Re: Hey Allen in Neb and other German Diesel exper in reply to Adam R, 01-28-2005 16:46:48

Adam, I've been around quite a few that leak like that. Almost makes me wonder if they warp a little. Really nothing special you need to do to remove it, will be easier if you remove the exhaust manifold first. The gasket surfaces must be 100% perfectly clean and free of coolant or grease. That's the most critical step. After you remove the gasket, wipe the surfaces clean with brake cleaner. I've had very good luck using a hi-tack gasket sealer on gaskets that seal coolant. It's kind of dark in color, comes in a can, and you brush it on. I belive Loctite makes it, my local Deere dealer has it on the shelf. When you reinstall the water manifold, make sure to torque the nuts down as evenly as possible. Start at the center port, and work your way out. Torque each nut to 10 ft-lbs, start back at the center and torque each nut to 20 ft-lbs, and finish by starting back at the center and torquing each nut to 25 ft-lbs.

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Hugh MacKay

01-29-2005 07:09:06

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Re: Hey Allen in Neb and other German Diesel exper in reply to Adam R, 01-28-2005 16:46:48

Adam: Allan isn't a German diesel expert, has been growling ever since he bought it. Had he been an expert, he wouldn't have bought it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting they are bad buy. Allan just doesn't like that 30 seconds of smoke at cold start.

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Allan in NE

01-29-2005 08:28:12

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Re: Hey Allen in Neb and other German Diesel exper in reply to Hugh MacKay, 01-29-2005 07:09:06

Hi Hugh,

I'll be the first to tell you that I'm no expert on anything. Just an old feller who's been around the block more than a few times and I try to help the younger guys who ask (if I know the answer).

30 seconds? 30 seconds you say? Heck, all diesels throw smoke when they are first started for a few seconds to a minute; doesn't take a darned rocket scientist to figure that one out; that's just plumb normal.

But, these Germans will smoke for 3 hours or even all day long if you leave 'em set there running before you pull 'em; very poorly designed, to my way of thinking.

Allan

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Hugh MacKay

01-29-2005 10:06:04

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Re: Hey Allen in Neb and other German Diesel exper in reply to Allan in NE, 01-29-2005 08:28:12

Allan: Didn't realize it was that bad. I guess your growling is mild compared to what mine would be. I developed a hate for European equipment long before German IH diesels hit North America, thus I didn't go through the agony you are.

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Allan in NE

01-29-2005 11:56:46

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Re: Hey Allen in Neb and other German Diesel exper in reply to Hugh MacKay, 01-29-2005 10:06:04

Hi Hugh,

I'm like you; I've always had American diesels, and a trainload of 'em too. They just do not smoke.

I do like the 310 as far as it's lugging ability and fuel economy. It sounds somewhat like a cross between the 282D and the 360D.

However, being old and set in my ways, I will not put up with a smoking IH tractor, so I made the appointment this morning.

Just as soon as they are done with my 966, this thing is going in for the high compression pistons. :>)

Allan

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Adam R

01-28-2005 19:34:22

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Re: Hey Allen in Neb and other German Diesel exper in reply to Adam R, 01-28-2005 16:46:48

Allen mine runs about like that when cold. It really doesn't bother me, we have a 970 Case that usually needs a whiff of either to start even when pluged in, then it smokes like a freight train til its good and warm, so it sits all winter.

Adam R

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Allan in NE

01-28-2005 17:05:13

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Re: Hey Allen in Neb and other German Diesel exper in reply to Adam R, 01-28-2005 16:46:48

Hi Adam,

Wish I could help, but alas I've never laid a wrench to mine. I'm just an old Nebraska irrigator who, so far, is more than a little disappointed in the 310.

Does yours do this when it's cold?

Allan

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Dave (IL)

01-29-2005 09:00:29

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Re: Hey Allen in Neb and other German Diesel exper in reply to Allan in NE, 01-28-2005 17:05:13

What I wanna know is how far you have to drive that tractor to find any land you COULD irrigate?

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Allan in NE

01-29-2005 09:10:49

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Re: Hey Allen in Neb and other German Diesel exper in reply to Dave (IL), 01-29-2005 09:00:29

Hi Dave,

The farm lays roughly 17 miles southeast of this Gawdforsaken ridge I'm living on now.

Later,

Allan

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Dave (IL)

01-29-2005 09:43:51

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Re: Hey Allen in Neb and other German Diesel exper in reply to Allan in NE, 01-29-2005 09:10:49

Now that's more like what comes to mind when I see your name! The mental contradiction was just too much when I saw that pic of Ol' Smokey.
The topology of this old country sure is amazing sometimes.

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TP from Central PA

01-29-2005 08:13:30

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Re: Hey Allen in Neb and other German Diesel exper in reply to Allan in NE, 01-28-2005 17:05:13

Heck, your worried about that? I seen some that will honestly cause you to jump off the operaters platform after starting or you"ll run into stuff on the way out(Can"t see a hand in front of your face). IMO the D310 was one of the nicest engines IH put in a tractor. They run dirt cheap, and make good power compared to the 282.

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Dave D

01-28-2005 20:11:08

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Re: Hey Allen in Neb and other German Diesel exper in reply to Allan in NE, 01-28-2005 17:05:13

'Scuse me, Allan. Did you say that was COLD? I'm looking for the 8 foot snowbanks, the shovels and snowshoes up on the porch, and maybe a snowmobile or two run up near the garage door. Say, isn't that a LAWNMOWER over there next to the house? What part of Nebraska you livin' in, pard? The banana belt?? You bring that smokey 310 up to New Hampster and we'll show you what COLD is -- like -18F this morning on the front porch. Guaranteed to sort out that Robert Bosch injector pump on that fancy German diesel. Ha!

Dave D

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Allan in NE

01-29-2005 05:01:05

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Re: Hey Allen in Neb and other German Diesel exper in reply to Dave D, 01-28-2005 20:11:08

Mornin' Dave,

Yep, I know all about that cold business. Lived up in Williston, North Dakota for 12 years.

Took the long handled underware off on the 3rd of July and put 'em back on the morning of the 5th.

Some dour folks up there; I can understand why. :>)

You can keep the cold stuff, I've already paid my dues,

Allan

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Ron in Nebr

01-28-2005 22:56:32

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Re: Hey Allen in Neb and other German Diesel exper in reply to Dave D, 01-28-2005 20:11:08

Hey Dave, What the deal is, the part of Neb that Allan lives in(me too) is experiencing a drought. Has been for a few years now. Lack of moisture falling from the sky. See, it's always so doggone windy here that any snow or rain that falls just blows clear to the Mississippi River at least before it hits the ground. The only thing between here and the Canada border to block the wind is one barbwire fence and it's down half the time.....Allan should post a picture of his Nebraska Wind Guage(everyone here has one). It's a six foot peice of half-inch log chain welded to the top of a steel pole. They don't last too long since on a typical day that chain is standing straight out and popping links off the end...One day back in '78 the wind died down for just a second and all the cows fell down.....:)

We still get the cold- had lots of below zero days this winter, just can't seem to get any amount of snow that stays around too long. Wouldn't mind some of those 8ft drifts! Heck, any drifts for that matter! I think most of the snowmobile salesmen starved out about five years ago.

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JB2

01-28-2005 17:55:36

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Re: Hey Allen in Neb and other German Diesel exper in reply to Allan in NE, 01-28-2005 17:05:13

Hi Allan, when tractor is idling, don't pull the stop/start/run level up all the way to the top.
This will reduce the amount of Diesel fuel to the cylinders and reduce the smoking. If you don't pull the lever up far enough the engine will be fuel starved and will not rev up.
Then when you go to do work with the tractor or it is warmed up pull the lever all the way to the top.
On a Robert Bosch injector pump, this has the same effect as turning down the pump.
These German Diesel engines like to run under load and up to operating temp.

We often do this when the tractor is running a wood spliiter.

Give it a try
JB2

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Allan in NE

01-29-2005 05:15:49

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Re: Hey Allen in Neb and other German Diesel exper in reply to JB2, 01-28-2005 17:55:36

Hi JB,

This is one of the last 686s made. It doesn't have the additional fuel control; just the throttle.

Yep, just as soon as the load is applied, it clears right up and pulls like a Percheron. Starts within one crank revolution and never needs the darned either. Just smokes the old 'extra diesel fuel' thing till she starts to pull.

Drives me nuts! :>)

Allan

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RustyFarmall

01-29-2005 06:53:27

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Re: Hey Allen in Neb and other German Diesel exper in reply to Allan in NE, 01-29-2005 05:15:49

There you go Allan, talking about horses again!

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Harley

01-29-2005 08:38:35

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Re: Hey Allen in Neb and other German Diesel exper in reply to RustyFarmall, 01-29-2005 06:53:27

He can't help it Rusty, it's now in his blood. He can probably tell you when every one of the Aussy horsey shows are on RFD-TV. But look at it this way, it's good for a feller to have a hobby. Keeps him out of the bars and off the streets. :-) Later, Harley

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