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GWT

01-28-2005 10:38:57




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HiGuys, At the risk of sounding completely ignorant. How would you get a field(patch) ready for planting? I am interested in a large garden spot. Not anything like large fields or any kind of production. The field was plowed probably 6 years ago for Milo but not since. Can I get away with just a disk? Or should I plow and go the whole route?
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John A.

01-28-2005 20:37:47




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 Re: Cultivation in reply to GWT, 01-28-2005 10:38:57  
GWT, First of all No one here in Texas, Moldboards except a few ol Blackland cotton/corn farmers when the repull their terraces to keep them in shape. You ONLY need 2 pieces of equipment to cover the bases.
1st a Chiesel Plow, for you can break up the land from different directions. Plow one way the go at it from a different angle to rip it up and loosen it deeper then the first pass.
2nd a Disk either Tandem or Offset. Again plow in opposing directions to optimize the plowing action of the soil and getting the old crop residue fully incorperated.
I farmed in the High plains or over 10 years. my people had an ol 3 botton spinner. I NEVER saw it pulled, Never Pulled it myself in the entire. time I was there. Since the time I left to now the practices has gone to minium,strip-till farming the last I knew of it, it was being used to prop up a corner post for electric fence by the NH3 storage tank.
Yor 400 Lp will handle a chiesel and disk that is just about one ft wider than the rear wheels now.
Hollar at me and we can visit when you get time.
Later,
John A

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riverbend

01-28-2005 16:24:15




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 Re: Cultivation in reply to GWT, 01-28-2005 10:38:57  
What kind of soil do you have ? If you have sand, sandy loam, loam, or even slightly clay loam, you can easily plow in the spring. If you have sticky soil, you need to be careful that it is not wet when you work it. Plowing will bury the trash and introduce some air into the soil if it is done right. Besides, plowing is fun.

How hard is your soil ? Can you take a straight 1/4" rod and push it down a couple feet with your bare hands ? Do you have to use a cross piece or a board to push it down 6" until it bends ? If the soil is not hard or there is no hard pan, a heavy disk might do a fine job.

Generally, you will need to plow and then disk it twice. If you have a neighbor who is farming or gardening on a large scale, they might have equipment that you try out before you buy something that you will only use once or twice.

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JT

01-28-2005 14:13:10




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 Re: Cultivation in reply to GWT, 01-28-2005 10:38:57  
GWT,
The best thing to do is to mold board plow in the fall, then let it sit over the winter. If you plow in the spring the ground can get real cloddy, then you will never get a garden to grow. ground will never pack around seed/plant, so it looses moisture, is exposed to elements. The advantage of fall plowing is that when the gound freezes and thaws it fractures the soil, so all the big slabs will turn to good fine dirt. The thing you got to be careful about is to make sure your ground is dry when you work it. If you work it damp or wet, you will also have dirt cloads instead of a good seedbed. If you are plating large seed,such as corn, greenbeans, peas, you can get by with soil a LIITLE cloddy, but any fine seeds, seedlings, or plants need a good seed bed to make it out in the big world. If you cannot plow it, you can try a disk, but your root crops can have a hard time because the soil can be too hard to penetrate. Also make as few trips across as you can, including walking, every pass will pack you soil down and then it will be as hard as concrete. Depending on your soil type, this may not work for you, but it works good in this old black gumbo in Illinois.
Good luck
Jim

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CNKS

01-28-2005 14:12:09




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 Re: Cultivation in reply to GWT, 01-28-2005 10:38:57  
All you need is a seedbed so that the seed has good soil-seed contact. Plowing is little more than a tradition in most places. It does have it's place in certain conditions. No one plows in SW Kansas any more. A disk only is fine unless you have large weeds and/or compacted soil that a disk won't penetrate, in that case it can be chiseled. To get a good seedbed with a disk or trashy conditions, it has to penetrate, otherwise you will make multiple passes, and compact the soil further. That said, a plow won't hurt anything on a small area. The key is to get a noncompacted seedbed absent of large clods that will prevent good seed-soil contact. A plow is likely to cause clods unless you have perfect soil conditions when you plow (if Allan(NE) is reading this he knows how to do that, I don't) these need to be broken up with a disk soon after plowing or they are apt to become hard and difficult to break up. Unless you are willing to wait until it rains.

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NDS

01-28-2005 12:23:46




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 Re: Cultivation in reply to GWT, 01-28-2005 10:38:57  
Do not disagree with what gene b said but if you have disc and not a plow you can cut ground up 6 inches deep or more with good disc. Will have to make several passes but it will eventually have ground in good shape. In my area most row crop farmers work several thousand acres and the only time you see moldboard plow is when they throw up terraces. Up untill recently no till was big but last couple of years they run chisel plows over most of most of the ground in fall or winter and disc it down smooth before planting.

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gene b

01-28-2005 11:15:59




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 Re: Cultivation in reply to GWT, 01-28-2005 10:38:57  
Plow it with a moldboard plow as soon as you can you need to turn under all the ground cover. Fresh plowed ground has to cure for a while so it will work down good. Nice to have it plowed for 30 or so days then it will till up great with a small tiller. Just remember each time you run the tractor over tilled ground you are packing it. When you are ready to plant just work up what you can plant at one time this saves losing moisture. good luck and enjoy.

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GWT

01-28-2005 14:04:06




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 Re: Cultivation in reply to gene b, 01-28-2005 11:15:59  
Thanks a lot! I'm looking at what equipement to get first. I agree that the present growth needs to be turned under. But, it sounds like with extra weeding, just tilling will get us started.



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