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Guy Fay and the Historical Society

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SproutW

01-21-2005 16:16:59




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I got to walk through a John Deere warehouse where they keep (what I was told by a security officer)a copy of every original part John Deere has ever made. I asked him why and he explained to reproduce the part in the future if ever needed. He said they had boxes full of paperwork with the descriptions on the dimensions of the parts as well. Such paperwork was located in another part of the warehouse. Now lets say he knew what he was talking about. Let everyone know, I believe they have parts stored there. I just don't believe the parts will go back all that far in the past. Paperwork I do believe could be kept for a long period of time. Now for Guy Fay or anyone else with the knowledge. Does the Historical Society have paperwork on the dimensions of parts, suppliers etc.. on lets say the F-series tractors? Either the paperwork was destroyed or it's there is my thought.

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SproutW

01-22-2005 06:13:35




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 Re: Guy Fay and the Historical Society in reply to SproutW, 01-21-2005 16:16:59  
Guy thanks for all of the great information. I'm planning a research trip up to your neck of the woods sometime this summer. Would like to have a few questions answered. I agree, the warehouse was huge but not able to hold all parts ever produced. In this area Deere has many warehouses and maybe the parts are spread all over but I had a hard time believeing that all the parts would be kept. Nice thought though. Guy, I will leave my email open if you want to send me a line. If it would help I would have no problem making a donation to the cause. Thanks.

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Guy Fay

01-22-2005 07:40:16




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 Re: Guy Fay and the Historical Society in reply to SproutW, 01-22-2005 06:13:35  
You can make donations through the IH Collector's Club- comeon up to the WInter Convention in Madison in a few weeks.



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Guy Fay

01-21-2005 18:18:51




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 Re: Guy Fay and the Historical Society in reply to SproutW, 01-21-2005 16:16:59  
First , your assumption on "The paperwork muct be there or destroyed is wrong. When Case/Tenenco bought the Ag Equipment Division in 1965, the parts drawings that IH had for ag equipment came with, as many of these parts were still (and are still) in production. Case has pretty millions of parts drawings- won't claim they have everything that IH ever made cause stuff does get lost over the years, but it's pretty close, and plenty of collectors have toured Hinsdale/Burr Ridge and have seem the drawing storage areas- it's nearly all microfilm now.

That being said, there were two boxes of microfilm in a different format than the normal stuff IH/Case uses. Those films were rescued from an office being cleaned out, and on a book research trip I was the first one to take a look at those in years. Those boxes contain IH tractor parts removed from supply before 1950. Friction Drive, Mogul, Titan, etc. There's a few drawings up into the letter series, the parts from the 1939-1940 tractors that were superseded quite early.

The Mogul and Titan guys needed those drawings pretty badly, so I started putting together the politics of getting those drawings transferred from Case to the Archives. With the change of archivists in the late 1990s, the big upheavals at Case and then CNH Global (everytime a vice president signed off, they got canned!), and dealing with a few lawyers and other types, the drawings (about 31,000) are in Madison now, and copies are getting scanned. A private individual put up the $11,000 to get the scanning done- not real expensive per drawing, but there's a lot! I have to check to see if I can disclose the donor's name- he deserves a lot of credit, obviously.

The plan is to make the drawings available for collectors. There will be fees involved (I don't know how much). Of course, Case still has the trademarks, so if you want to go into the parts business and use IH logos or names, you'll have to deal with their product liscensing folks. Case has no problem with individual collectors making parts for themselves, but if someone tries to make a buck, Case wants their cut, and they want to preserve their trademark (obviously, someone making brand new Farmall Regulars would be a real problem).

Maybe someday we can get the rest of the parts drawings out of Case, but it would take serious convincing of the Society to do that, and serious donations from the colelctor's community. Case still has plenty of other materials, and the clock is certainly ticking, even from a housekeeping point of view, which is hte real threat.

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schmidty

01-21-2005 18:02:48




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 Re: Guy Fay and the Historical Society in reply to SproutW, 01-21-2005 16:16:59  
I believe he exagerated a little or doesn"t know better. Think of every part, now assemble them into complete tractor. Think of how many models were ever built and put a filing cabinet full of paperwork by each model. That building is getting pretty big. What you saw was probably the paperwork for more current critical components along with PPAP/capability study parts. All of this is kept for tracabilty. Liability and warrantee issues sometimes rely on this. They are required to keep those parts and associated paperwork for specific periods of time (paperwork is usually "life of the product"). Today we call that "QS/ISO Requirements".

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PAULIH300

01-21-2005 16:26:08




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 Re: Guy Fay and the Historical Society in reply to SproutW, 01-21-2005 16:16:59  
You have to hand it to JD...being so large and being around for so long,gives them the freedom to do such unbelieveable things such as that.With IH petering out and being bought up,one wonders if the current owners would ever want to embark on something as ambitious as that.Would be great for Letter Series and Number series owners to be able to purchase new stuff long since discontinued.I wouldnt hold my breath,rather I'd hope the aftermarket keeps repro'ing as many items as possible.

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