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derf

01-13-2005 21:07:28




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When, if ever, was there a usable 3 pt hitch on any tricycle (M,H C? 3-400? - 1950`s)
Farmall tractor. If not, was, or is there a kit to make a usable 3 pt hitch?
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bad mechanic

01-14-2005 14:54:18




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 Re: 3 pt hitch in reply to derf, 01-13-2005 21:07:28  
I bought a three point after market from Tractorkits.com out of Nebraska. Jim and Evelyn Jones. ML manufacturing. It fit perfectly, no adjustments needed like most after market parts. Still use the original draw bar. Strong as you need. I think it is as good as the come for after market 3 points. I check the stats and price of the others mentioned by others, Jones' is less expensive and as good or better.

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Kelly C

01-14-2005 11:43:26




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 Re: 3 pt hitch in reply to derf, 01-13-2005 21:07:28  
third party image

After market ones work ok for most jobs. Brush hogging, lifting round bales and ect.
Dont think I would plow with or even use my trailing 10 foot disk on the flimsy draw bar.
Draw bar works of for pulling wagons and I did pull my haybine and baler on it. Seemed to work ok.

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derf

01-14-2005 12:46:08




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 Re: 3 pt hitch in reply to Kelly C, 01-14-2005 11:43:26  
Kelly Sea- thanks for the pic. Sure looks sturdy and ought to clear the seat?? Who made this unit, and what is the data on the hydralic cylinder? Do you have it set up to push both up and down?m Thanks



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CNKS

01-14-2005 14:16:54




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 Re: 3 pt hitch in reply to derf, 01-14-2005 12:46:08  
The C has factory 2 way hydraulics. The H/M usually have one way, gravity down, unless you have the optional remote valve, which is no longer in production -- they do show up from time to time. You can also get 2-way hydraulics by using a readily available spool valve, and hoses--someone else can tell you how to hook that up. The H/M version comes with two cylinders, they are 2 way, with one port vented for one-way operation. For most purposes, one-way is ok, it's just that the H/M are a little touchy on depth control without the extra valve. If you do set it up for 2 way, you can pull a pin out of the left (I think) lift arm so that the hitch will "float". This is an excellent heavy duty hitch, I think the same one can be used on the H through 450, if the later models don't have fast hitch. It uses the factory drawbar, including the swinging part, so you lose nothing if you want to use trailing implements. Granted it is not as good as the factory ones on the later tractors, but it will make your tractor more versatile.

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Hugh MacKay

01-14-2005 13:41:09




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 Re: 3 pt hitch in reply to derf, 01-14-2005 12:46:08  
derf: Just to clear up a obvious misunderstanding, none of the hitches will ever hit the seat. It is some mounted implements that will hit if you raise them high enough. Problem comes as you raise hitch, implement moves foreward. To avoid dammage to implments while turning good ground clearence is esential. This situation can only be corrected by seat and operator being moved foreward on tractor.

I never suggested at anytime that hitch would or even could hit the seat.

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CNKS

01-14-2005 09:59:59




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 Re: 3 pt hitch in reply to derf, 01-13-2005 21:07:28  
I have had good luck with Saginaw on both an H and a C. I tend to agree with FC on the lift height, and that the C won't take too much weight on the rear before the front lifts, but otherwise ok. The front end can be weighted. The H and larger handle the weight much better. The Saginaw is very heavy duty and may be a little overkill for the C, but it does increase the capabilities of a tractor without fast hitch. Worksaver on a C uses the rockshafts, Saginaw has it's own cylinder which is better. One thing I have not seen much discussion of is that the aftermarket hitches are axle mounted. For heavy use, such as tillage, the semi-mounted plows were designed to pull from underneath, so you don't want to overload the 3-point, and you must keep the mounting brackets tight. I don't think I would want a mounted plow on one, but I haven't tried. Fast hitch at least partially pulls from underneath, the other parts are mostly frame mounted, rather relying on the axles. Same with the factory 3 points on the later models.

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NDS

01-14-2005 05:54:57




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 Re: 3 pt hitch in reply to derf, 01-13-2005 21:07:28  
Everone has had different experiences and mine have been a little differen from Hugh and KC. Have put in hundreds of hours on SM with Saginaw hitch and think it works great. Agree it is not good if draft contol is needed but moldboard plow is about only thing that comes to mind. Never experienced the interference with seat problem. When I was putting in most of time with Saginaw there were several late sixtys to mid seventys 3 point tractors on place so I had something to compare it to. All tractors on place required front end weights to lift heavy implements and SM was no different.

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riverbend

01-14-2005 05:47:03




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 Re: 3 pt hitch in reply to derf, 01-13-2005 21:07:28  
Worksaver and Saginaw are two aftermarket 3 point hitches for H, M, etc. I have a Worksaver unit on an H. It requires the removal of the standard U shaped draw bar (and the aftermarket straight drawbar is flimsy), it interfers with the seat sometimes and it makes the front end light. It also allows the use of slightly more modern equipment.



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CNKS

01-14-2005 10:02:12




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 Re: 3 pt hitch in reply to riverbend, 01-14-2005 05:47:03  
You can keep the original drawbar with the Saginaw, including the swinging part.



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riverbend

01-15-2005 07:17:50




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 Re: 3 pt hitch in reply to CNKS, 01-14-2005 10:02:12  
I know. Too bad I didn't find out about the Saginaw until after I has the Worksaver.



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FC

01-14-2005 05:31:08




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 Re: 3 pt hitch in reply to derf, 01-13-2005 21:07:28  
Hugh is right on the aftermarket 3 points. They will work, but they just never seem to fit quite right....or at least that is the case with mine. I installed an aftermarket hitch on my C, and was never quite satisfied with it. The mount point is farther back and when an implement is lifted it lightens the front end even more. And I never could get the thing to have the right amount of lift. Either it did not go high enough, or lifted too high and would not lower far enough. It is setting under a tree now, and I am considering selling it, as I have 2 other 3 point tractors, and just use the C as intended with a mounted mower or drawbar use. They do that well. I actually bought the 3 point to use with a 5 foot bush hog. Should have bought a pull type and saved my money on the 3 point. Some love their Saginaw 3 point, and they are a good quality unit, but I just could not justify the cost, and I would have to be removing it anyway to use my mower. My advice is not to buy one of the cheaper 3 point kits like I did.

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P Backus

01-14-2005 19:17:54




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 Re: 3 pt hitch in reply to FC, 01-14-2005 05:31:08  
F.C, if you are really thinking of selling your 3p.h., I might be interested. I"ve been toying
with putting one on my H for years, but never wanted to put out the cash for a new one. I always figure I can tinker with it to get it to do what I want- even thought about building one, but not enough time.



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Hugh MacKay

01-14-2005 03:27:01




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 Re: 3 pt hitch in reply to derf, 01-13-2005 21:07:28  
derf: To start with, the tractors you mention were never designed for 3 point or for that matter even their own 2 point fast hitch. Until American built row crops changed configuration, the operators platform was always in the way of any good hitch for mounted equipment. For IH it wasn't until 04, 06 and 56 series tractors that this happened. The biggest problem with the older H, M, 300, 400, etc.; most implements could not be lifted high enough for good ground clearence without striking the seat. I had an experience with a Farmall 560 fast hitch and 4 row corn planter, as I lowered the planter on the move, part of the planter hooked the seat taking it from under me. I should correct that a bit, as actually it had me by seat of pants as well. Not a very comfortable feeling.

When companies building American row crops moved the operator ahead about 18", changed mount and dismount to in front of rear wheel, instead of from drawbar, they truly had a tractor for mounted equipment.

If you are looking at one of the aftermarket 3 point kits for an H, M, 300, etc. just realize what you are getting. It is little more than a lift. Fine if you are just turning a family garden, doing a bit of bush hogging, maybe a snow blower or blade. Remember also the modern day draft controled 3 point hitch probably represents somewhere between $5,000. and $10,000. of the cost of that new tractor. Just don't expect that 3 point kit for the H, M, or 300 to do what the modern hitches do. I am not saying they are a bad buy, they do have their place. It's just not high production plowing along side a 504 or 656.

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kfox

01-13-2005 21:38:03




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 Re: 3 pt hitch in reply to derf, 01-13-2005 21:07:28  
You might check out this link...ken

http://www.tonystractors.com/ih3ph.htm



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