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Lance R.

01-12-2005 20:55:09




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I know Allan has ground hay before. I have a grinder mixer I bought at an auction for $40 to grind hay for my sheep. My largest screen is only 3/4". Is this going to be too small for grinding hay? The sheep really like to waste the hay. I can order either 1", 1 1/4", or 1 1/2" sceens. What would work best?




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ShepherdBill

01-13-2005 08:49:56




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 Re: Grinding hay in reply to Lance R. , 01-12-2005 20:55:09  
I grind alfalfa hay and corn to feed young lambs. As many have said, a g/m doesn't grind hay very fast. An old hammer mill designed to grind hay or corn stalks would work much better. I've seen field choppers converted to stationary hay grinders. However, I find that if I use hay feeders and control the amount of hay, I get the ewes to pretty much clean up their hay. Of course one can go overboard on this and not feed them enough.

By the way, what kind of sheep do you have? I have Polypays and know people in Harlan and Center Point, IA with the same kind.

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Lance R.

01-13-2005 09:15:58




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 Re: Grinding hay in reply to ShepherdBill, 01-13-2005 08:49:56  
I only have 10 black face suffolk ewes. They keep the grove trimmed for me during the Summer and a neighbor has some alfalfa/grass mix I cut, bale, and buy each year. I have been taking only one twine off and make them rip the bales apart. The hay they waste actully becomes good bedding for them so not everything is lost. They really do have big appetites now and will lamb in March.



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Chas K.

01-13-2005 07:25:33




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 Re: Grinding hay in reply to Lance R. , 01-12-2005 20:55:09  
Lance, I"m with Cmore on this. We"ve also ground a lot of hay into rations. But that was in a grain mix. Not sure if you are going to want the unloading auger going at grinding RPM"s since it will be basically empty. And since you"re not talking about huge quantities...you may be able to grind a bit/unload a bit. You"ll just have to work out how much to do at a time. Worst comes to worst, you may need to through a bit of grain in to get it to come out. JMHO

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Cmore

01-13-2005 06:43:31




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 Re: Grinding hay in reply to Lance R. , 01-12-2005 20:55:09  
We used to grind some hay for nursing sow rations with Gehl Grinder/Mixer, with oats, etc. Simple solution is JUST TAKE THE SCREEN OUT COMPLETELY!!! It works.....don't need a screen for hay....Cmore



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f20inmi

01-13-2005 06:02:10




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 Re: Grinding hay in reply to Lance R. , 01-12-2005 20:55:09  
I can remember grinding hay with a grinder mixer in the late 60's. It took a whole bunch of power to grind the bales and we used a screen with pretty big holes.
Don't know how many sheep you have, but if you only need to feed a few animals, you should be able to use your grinder mixer. Otherwise, I like the other guys recommendations.



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Allan in NE

01-13-2005 05:17:56




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 Re: Grinding hay in reply to Lance R. , 01-12-2005 20:55:09  
Mornin' Lance,

I agree with the Cowman and kinda think you are trying to use the wrong tool for the wrong job.

Grinder mixers work great for small grains but they just aren't designed for grinding hay. I would imagine you'd just end up plugging the thing up even if you were to try feeding it with a pitchfork.

Screen sizes on a tub grinder normally run 3 or 4 inches and they can eat a lot of hay; like Howard says, a sizable tub can easily keep two loaders busy. Here's a picture of a little guy.

Oh yeah, and always put the discharge apron downwind. :>)

Allan

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Mo Hay Baler

01-13-2005 15:44:02




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 Re: Grinding hay in reply to Allan in NE, 01-13-2005 05:17:56  
I have ground a lot of hay through my grinder with grain for dairy rations.I use an ear corn screen.It jerks it right on through there,if you dont dump a half a bale at a time.It is a little slower with just hammers,but its worth it to be able to auger the mix into barrels or right into the trough.The old Wetmore hammermill does a better job of grinding hay,because it has hammers.I have taken it and blowed a big wagon load of ground alfalfa onto it for later use.Some mixmills have a HAY ATTACHMENT,but I have never seen that they are much better than flaking it off and feeding it though.

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Lance R.

01-13-2005 06:00:02




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 Re: Grinding hay in reply to Allan in NE, 01-13-2005 05:17:56  
The operator's manual for the grinder mixer talks about grinding hay with it but makes no mention of which size screen to use. I thought I would just feed the hay through the hammermill and not allow the hay into the build up in the tank but run the unload auger into a wagon while I grind. In other words I'd just be using the hammermill portion because I have nothing to mix. I don't know of anyone with one of those hay griders like you pictured allan. I'm located near Fort Dodge, IA.

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Allan in NE

01-13-2005 07:18:40




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 Re: Grinding hay in reply to Lance R., 01-13-2005 06:00:02  
Heck Lance,

Maybe it would work, I dunno; it is just hard for me to get my mind around feeding hay into a grinder-mixer and that same ground hay feeding out of an auger without one's having to make a trip to the nearest tavern. :>)

One things for certain though, betcha you are going to have to "spoon feed" the thing.

One time I got in a jam and had to grind a stack of hay using a Fox 3000 equipped with a hay head. It was just me and the darned pitchfork and I had to be real careful of plugging up that brute. I remember that it sure made for a long morning.

At any rate, hope ya get 'er figured out,

Allan

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Andy Martin

01-13-2005 06:16:52




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 Re: Grinding hay in reply to Lance R., 01-13-2005 06:00:02  
My grinder/mixer has a square bale feeder on it. Most equipment manufacturers do not produce large volumes of equipment that don't work.

It does not cost you much to grind a few bales with what you have, even if you really mess up and have to clean out the tub by hand.

If it is too dusty, you can use the mixer to add a little molasses (which the sheep might like) to keep the dust down or buy a bigger screen.

Note he said they ground 120 round bales per hour. The tub grinders are for large operations.

Also, my philosophy is animals waste hay when they are getting too much.

A sign of wealth in the cow world is throwing hay on to your back. They only do that when times are good and they can afford it. Kind of like trading in a two year old car.

Don't know anything about sheep. I always go to sleep trying to count them so if I had some I wouldn't even know how many I had. It's hard to manage a herd that way.

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Nebraska Cowman

01-13-2005 06:14:11




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 Re: Grinding hay in reply to Lance R., 01-13-2005 06:00:02  
I guess what I'd try lance is taking a cutting torch and cutting some 2 inch or so holes in one of the old screens. I say this because a new 2 inch screen is going to cosst big bucks. At $40 investment you don't have much to loose.



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Nebraska Cowman

01-13-2005 04:18:53




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 Re: Grinding hay in reply to Lance R. , 01-12-2005 20:55:09  
OOOOOH, I have never ground hay in a grinder mixer but have ground a lot of hay. I hire a custom outfit with a large tub grinder. we grind 2 large round bales a minute. Yes, it keeps the loader tractor on the move and we generaly use two tractors. In a grinder mixer I would be afraid the hay would bridge up and you will have trouble getting it out of the machine. What I have seen here in the Platte valley is an old ensilage cutter with a special feed table for grinding small square bales. Maybe someone else will have better ideas.

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Harley

01-13-2005 09:43:50




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 Re: Grinding hay in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 01-13-2005 04:18:53  
It'll work guys. Back in the 70's I used a Gehl to grind hay, shelled corn, and protein to bulk up some thin calves, and I just loved the results. I had enough grain in the mix for it not to plug, and it gave it a very good roughage mix. Go for it, Harley



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Bud Sather

01-13-2005 10:51:06




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 Re: Grinding hay in reply to Harley, 01-13-2005 09:43:50  
Greetings,
My brother and I run a lot of hay and straw through one of them one winter. We were short of hay so we ground barley, wheat hay ( spring wheat that had too many weeds in it to combine) and alfalfa hay. At the time we baled all of our hay with an international 440 baler. We also mixed a bag of lots-o -lass in it to put some flavor in it. Grinding hay or straw with a grain ration is nice because after it is mixed up it takes a while for the cows to eat it. You don't get the boss cow eating twice her share. Our grinder mixer was a New Holland 357 with a bale attachment. Made the 4220 earn its keep.
Bud

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Allan in NE

01-13-2005 11:55:16




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 Re: Grinding hay in reply to Bud Sather, 01-13-2005 10:51:06  
Hi Bud,

Let me understand this. You actually stand there and feed that thing by hand?

I think I'm on the wrong planet; I just can't imagine doing that. :>(

'Course, come to think of it, there are guys who tell me that they plow with an H too. That one, I wanna see someday 'fore I die. :>)

Allan



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Allan in NE

01-13-2005 10:18:29




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 Re: Grinding hay in reply to Harley, 01-13-2005 09:43:50  
Now, doggone it Harley,

I was born at night, but it wasn't last night. I can't even imagine running hay through a grinder/mixer.

Wassamatta you? Are you tryin' to tell us that you ran hay through one of these things? How'd ya feed it?

Allan

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Harley

01-13-2005 18:17:35




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 Re: Grinding hay in reply to Allan in NE, 01-13-2005 10:18:29  
Yep what you see is what I used. Broke the small square bales apart and fed the flakes in one at a time, had the shelled corn already in the mixer. Made the most beautiful roughage mix you could imagine. Bought 21 Charlais steers that were about 9 months old and weighed about 400 lbs. All skin and bone, but had their growth. First 30 days they gained almost 3 lbs a day they were so hungry. Ground a mixer full, ran it into a wagon, cover it with a tarp and parked it in between two feed bunks on each side of the wagon. Next load, go grind the feed, haul it out to the wagon, run it in and feed some more. Worked good for that small batch. Later, Harley

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Andy Martin

01-13-2005 12:13:16




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 Re: Grinding hay in reply to Allan in NE, 01-13-2005 10:18:29  
You saw he said he was feeding 10 ewes.

The bale chute feeds directly into the hammermill and generally won't take more than a 4-inch high charge. Slow. 10 head.



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Cmore

01-13-2005 11:09:58




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 Re: Grinding hay in reply to Allan in NE, 01-13-2005 10:18:29  
Yes, grind the grain mix/supplement first. Then take out the screen and feed bales in one leaf at a time...s l o w l y. It works, but I wouldn't want to grind a whole mixer full of hay..Cmore



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