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F14 rod bearing and cylinder questions

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andy b.

01-08-2005 14:34:21




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little by little i've been pulling the engine apart on my F14 and the pistons/cylinders have been soaking for about a year now. i've had the head off for a while and took the oilpan off about a week or so ago. well today i decided the pistons were coming out. two of the cylinders looked great, one had some rust and the fourth had a good bit of water in it. in the two good looking cylinders the pistons came out with just a bit of tapping. the third one needed some persuasion to get started, but then came right out. the most rusted one i had to tap on the connecting rod with a hammer and brass rod for a few minutes, but once it started it came out with some more gentle tapping.

so now i have a few questions. three sets of the rod bearings say something similar to:

IH STD F-23 35578-DB CGB 1 1

the fourth says:

Fm IH 35578-DB L-200 3 49

i know i have to check the rods and crank journals because the reason this engine was stopped was because the bearing on the #3 rod was loose and all the rod journals show some light scoring. the oil pickup on the bottom of the oil pump was broken off and laying in the bottom of the oil pan, so i'm guessing it wasn't getting the proper oil flow. the bearings don't look real bad, except for the #3 one (and most of it is still there, but it was loose). i'm guessing on the oddball bearing it is a Federal-Mogul replacement bearing, but i was just wondering what the L-200 meant.

also, if the pistons and cylinders measure good on the two that look okay, has anyone had good luck just putting good used pistons/cylinders in (for the two worse looking ones)? this tractor will only be used for mowing and maybe some other light-duty chores (or pulling a firewood wagon around and such). how far oversized can these cylinders be bored, or do folks just replace them?

finally, how do the cylinders come out of the block? do i need a press or special tools? can i turn the block upside down and use a block of wood and a mallet to drive them out? any tips are appreciated.

thanks,

andy b.

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Nebraska Cowman

01-08-2005 17:16:49




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 Re: F14 rod bearing and cylinder questions in reply to andy b., 01-08-2005 14:34:21  
35578-DB is the standard bearing. I sold all my NOS bearings to justin weber, you might check with him for an oversize. You will need to clean up your crank. have it turned or at least smooth it up with emory cloth. You can get plasi-guage at any auto store to check your clearences. I have a used moter here that still has the oil pump in it if you need one. The sleeves are the same as the A B C Farmall and should be easy to find if you need them. They come right out with a sleeve puller, Can you borrow one? but on the other hand if you were able to get the pistons out that easily how bad can they be? I'd clean up the rings and put everything back but then I'm cheap. But the scored crank will have to be fixed or you will never keep bearings in it. I guess you might try using harness leather for bearings but you will have to tighten them a couple time a day.

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andy b.

01-08-2005 18:57:10




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 Re: F14 rod bearing and cylinder questions in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 01-08-2005 17:16:49  
NC,

thanks for the reply. are you saying the liner from an A, a B or a C will be a direct replacement???? what about the bore diameter and piston? are stock gasoline ones the same? my neighbor has a B and a C engine i believe and i could probably get two from him if i sweet talk him. any photos of this sleeve puller? i think i will be needing to rig something up, as i have no idea where to get one or who near me may have one i can borrow. the two worse cylinders would probably use a lot of oil if i try to reuse the sleeves currently in them.

thanks,

andy b.

ps- i handed out several of your books and they went over well. i still have one i think i'm going to donate to a local children's library next time my wife heads up there with our kids.

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Nebraska Cowman

01-09-2005 06:10:38




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 Re: F14 rod bearing and cylinder questions in reply to andy b., 01-08-2005 18:57:10  
They are all 3 inch pistons. The parts books list the same sleeve for both. You'll just have to compare. You will want to get new cylinder packing rings so it don't leak when you get done.



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