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Gibson Farms

01-08-2005 08:51:28




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I am restoring a 41 H Farmall and I would like to know where the original starter button was located and also whether the original seat was all metal or canvas padded. Thanks for any help.




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woodcutter

01-09-2005 14:23:35




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 Re: 41 H Farmall in reply to Gibson Farms, 01-08-2005 08:51:28  
For what it's worth. I have a '41 H serial #70595 starter switch is mounted in the gas tank support bracket. Its been that way since my dad bought it new. No hole or bolt in the steering support tube. I took the current seat cover off to see if there were any traces of any original cover. I didn't see any old canvas just bare metal. The rim was just a flat horizontal flange around the sides and back. No rolled edge. Oh, and this tractor does have the seat that flips backward.

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jayw

01-08-2005 17:16:17




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 Re: 41 H Farmall in reply to Gibson Farms, 01-08-2005 08:51:28  
Hey fellas
I have a 41 that I found in the deep woods of Indiana 10 years ago and restored her she has the starting rod thru the post with starter switch in gas tank support and also all metal seat



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kfox

01-08-2005 14:00:41




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 Re: 41 H Farmall in reply to Gibson Farms, 01-08-2005 08:51:28  
Interesting question, I've been researching the same problem. I have 2 41 Hs, and they have different starting switch setups. The one built around the end of July had the starter switch mounted in the rear fuel tank support,with a short rod running through the bottom of the steering post, and the one built in Dec. has the switch mounted in the little cup-like box on the steering post, across from the light switch box. According to the parts book, there was some change at serial # 70710. I still need to do some more checking, because i need to know before I start putting everything back togather.
Maybe someone with more experience with the early Hs can give us the correct answer. ken

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Gibson Farms

01-08-2005 16:06:12




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 Re: 41 H Farmall in reply to kfox, 01-08-2005 14:00:41  
Ken, my setup is different. There is a starter button that sticks through the fuel tank support which is just in front of the steering wheel support column. The hole in the fuel tank support appears to be original. My serial # is 69796. Do you know anything about the seat? I appreciate your reply. Hope somebody can help us.



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CNKS

01-08-2005 18:54:04




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 Re: 41 H Farmall in reply to Gibson Farms, 01-08-2005 16:06:12  
I believe all letter series seats were padded and covered with canvas. The original canvas was "probably" black or dark gray on a 41, silver on later models. I also have a 41 H, barely in running condition. When I bought it, someone had mounted the starter switch on the light bar (wrong). I currently have it mounted in front of the steerin post, but when I "restore" the tractor, it is going on the steering post opposite the amp box. That is the only location shown in my parts book. I do not know where it was on a 41 when new, there is some controversy on this. I do know that later models have it opposite the amp box.

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kfox

01-08-2005 20:08:53




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 Re: 41 H Farmall in reply to CNKS, 01-08-2005 18:54:04  
I guess I didn't explain very clearly. My early 41 H is just as you described yours. The starter switch is mounted in the fuel tank support, but it wasn't in use because someone had tried to change the wiring over to 12 v. It had a solinoid mounted where the origional starter switch had been. I,ve seen a couple of early Hs at shows with the switch mounted in the fuel tank support with a short rod (5/16") running through the steering post. I know the 39 model had this setup because there was one for sale near here last summer and it was about 99% origional. I guess the rod made it easier to push the switch without reaching around the steering post. If your tractor has the origional steering post and had the pushrod, there will be a small hole through the steering post, near the bottom of the post, drilled at a slight downward angle from back to front. One of the seats on my tractors had been covered because it still had the metal crimp around the edge of the seat with traces of the covering. No idea what the covering was, but several seats are shown in the parts book. The other seat is a later model tilt back and it is throughly worn out. I'll need to replace the whole assembly. I hope this is a little clearer, but I can send more info if you need it. ken

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Paul in Mich

01-09-2005 06:37:31




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 Re: 41 H Farmall in reply to kfox, 01-08-2005 20:08:53  
kfox, If your tractor has the starter switch mounting hole in the rear fuel tank support and the hole in the steering post, then it would be safe to say that that is the way it came from the factory. The later ones that had the switch mounted opposite the amp box did not have the mounting hole in the fuel tank support. As to the seat issue, it is my understanding that the early models, including 1941, could be equipped either with an unpadded seat which would have been the bare pan painted red, or a black canvass seat. Silver canvass didn"t appear until after WWII. Someone may correct me on this, and if so, fine, because I"d like to know the break off dates from black to silver canvass.

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CNKS

01-09-2005 13:17:09




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 Re: 41 H Farmall in reply to Paul in Mich, 01-09-2005 06:37:31  
The change from black to silver canvas is not indicated in the parts book -- for the 1939-early 1940 pan, and the pans for the other seats, it indicates they were all upholstered -- that may not be 100% true, since the book is for replacement parts that will fit the tractor, they do not have to be identical to the seat or other parts that actually came on the tractor. My dad had a prewar H, but I don't remember the year or the seat color, and a late 1947 H, that had, I believe, silver canvas. By the time I started driving it in 1950, most of the original canvas was gone, so we used whatever we could find for a seat cover. The canvas was not durable at all, which is why I use vinyl on my tractors.

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kfox

01-09-2005 16:09:33




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 Re: 41 H Farmall in reply to CNKS, 01-09-2005 13:17:09  
It sure is difficult to determine just what equipment all the origional model year tractors came from the factory with. I doubt if we will ever know all the changes made from time to time, but thats part of the (fun) I guess. One detail I've come up with on my own (at least I've never seen it discussed on the boards) is the gauges on the pre war, and during the war years models. All of the restored tractors have gauges with chrome trim, but I believe all the early gauges had black painted rims. It sticks out like a sore thumb to me when I see a beautiful old tractor with everyting looking like new. I could be wrong on this, but I've saved several old gauges from the early tractors, that I know hadn't been changed for many years, if ever, and they all had black painted rims. Kinda nit-picking I know, but if You want to get it right, you wnat to get it right. ken

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