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Ibby

01-08-2005 04:43:15




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I've read all the previous posts on different subtitutes for calcium chloride solution, and visited the links for the various sites listed. The question that occurs to me is why CALCIUM chloride solution, as opposed to SODIUM chloride (rock salt and water) T'would be cheaper and easier to obtain rock salt than calcium chloride. My only thought is that maybe it rots the rubber more. Anyone know?




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Ibby

01-09-2005 04:34:04




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 Re: Liquid Ballest question in reply to Ibby, 01-08-2005 04:43:15  
Ahhhh - Freezing point seems to be the answer. As I live as far North in New York as you can get without speaking Canadien, we regularly get -40 temps, and I have personally seen a non-calibrated thermometer read 52 below, I need all the freeze protection I can get. In the spring, I'll be buying some calcium chloride. Thanks for your answers!



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DAVE NE IOWA

01-08-2005 22:58:27




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 Re: Liquid Ballest question in reply to Ibby, 01-08-2005 04:43:15  
Lots of time on my hands so I reply alot in this weather, but would like to mention we mix calcium cloride flake powder with water and dump it in the redi mix cement mixer trucks as we can save about 3/4 of the cost compared to the cement plant prices. I had a worker get burned as he added the powder to the water real fast, it boiled over and got him pretty good. So just be careful. Dave NE IOWA

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Haas

01-08-2005 18:25:52




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 Re: Liquid Ballest question in reply to Ibby, 01-08-2005 04:43:15  
Could be other reasons, but one is that Calcium Chloride is a better antifreeze. I'm not sure of the numbers without looking up, but I know that a Sodium Chloride solution will freeze at a higher temperature than the Calcium. I decided to look it up. The lowest freezing point you can get with Sodium Chloride is -6 F at 23 percent salt. At higher concentrations than that, the freezing point goes back to higher temps. With Calcium you don't have that problem. At 30 percent calcium, the freezing point is -40 F. That would be 30 percent as anhydrous (dry) calcium. The Calcium as you buy it likely contains only about 75 percent calcium chloride (the rest is water) So you would need about 40 percent solution of the commercial calcium to get the -40 freeze point.

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scruffy

01-08-2005 17:56:25




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 Re: Liquid Ballest question in reply to Ibby, 01-08-2005 04:43:15  
If your after more wieght...most guys don't relize you can get lots of calcium,(not just the one bag to keep it from freezing,) you can make the fluid almost a slury, It didn't change the volume very much. I think you can get a couple of bags per tire, maybe a bit more. It's a little slower to fill, I was told to add some lime to each mix to reduce the corrosivness. If memory serves me, I put two bags cal. and 1/2 gallon lime to a forty-five gallon drum for each 38" tire.

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JLE

01-08-2005 16:10:45




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 Re: Liquid Ballest question in reply to Ibby, 01-08-2005 04:43:15  
In our area they are using sugar beet juice, its a stickie mess but no corrosion.



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farmallkid From ONT.

01-08-2005 18:09:27




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 Re: Liquid Ballest question in reply to JLE, 01-08-2005 16:10:45  
Where abouts ya from? You get the beet juice from the factory? I hauled beets to Croswell Mich, with my uncle a couple weeks back, thought you might live that way.



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randy hall

01-08-2005 07:37:56




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 Re: Liquid Ballest question in reply to Ibby, 01-08-2005 04:43:15  
the calcium chloride solution is heavier



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Novel Idea Guy

01-08-2005 08:57:48




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 Re: Liquid Ballest question in reply to randy hall, 01-08-2005 07:37:56  
Heavier? Come on!

2000 lbs of water and 50lbs of rock salt is going to weigh the same as 2000 lbs of water and 50lbs of calcium chloride.

The difference in the amount of space each would take up can be measured in TEASPOONS.

Calcium chloride is used because it lowers the freezing point of water more than salt. Those of us who live in winter climates know that below about 20 degrees, salt doesn't melt snow anymore. Calcium chloride will melt snow to well below zero.

If you use rock salt, and live where you get winter weather, you'll come out one cold morning to find your tires split right off your tractor, and

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randy hall

01-08-2005 15:24:39




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 Re: Liquid Ballest question in reply to Novel Idea Guy, 01-08-2005 08:57:48  
novel idea guy i often wonder if you are more than twelve years old with your know it all replies. you can disolve much more calcium chloride into a solution than you can rock salt and the calcium is heavier per cubic foot. do you think that fifty pounds of aluminum takes up the same space as fifty pounds of lead?



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CNKS

01-08-2005 19:47:58




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 Re: Liquid Ballest question in reply to randy hall, 01-08-2005 15:24:39  
Randy, you are correct on both counts, the calcium chloride is roughly twice as heavy per unit volume, and is much more soluble than sodium chloride.



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Keith T

01-08-2005 07:22:08




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 Re: Liquid Ballest question in reply to Ibby, 01-08-2005 04:43:15  
Probably has to do with the fact that the calcium chloride is more and faster soluable .Nearly 100% thus allowing it to be pumped in a liquid form thru a valve stem with no trouble .I can only imagine the time involved at the tire store disolving rock salt,straining out un disolved pieces and then pumping it into a tire



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