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jim in ny

01-01-2005 16:28:59




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Have a s m that has a weak clutch Thinking of replacing just the clutch disk from below. don't really want to split it if I can get away with it. any thoughts guys?




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captaink

01-03-2005 08:08:54




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 Re: super m clutch replacement in reply to jim in ny, 01-01-2005 16:28:59  
Here’s my nickel’s worth

I don’t know for sure about an SM, but I have done my 1950 M from the bottom. Not a real pleasant job, but since it had a loader on it, it was definitely faster and less hassle than splitting it. Now, since I have excellent splitting stands, and if there was no loader on the tractor, I would seriously consider splitting it. First, you don’t have to lie on your back fighting with heavy parts etc, getting clutch dust in your face. Second, as these old girls age, the flywheels and possibly pressure plates are getting worn, no longer having that nice flat surface for a clutch to work really nice on. The biggest hassle on the split (if you have good stands) is the steering shaft. Once it is split you can check the ring gear, flywheel, rear main seal, soft plugs, pressure plate, bearings, etc. and replace as necessary.

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NDS

01-02-2005 10:55:54




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 Re: super m clutch replacement in reply to jim in ny, 01-01-2005 16:28:59  
jim in ny:

To anwnser your original question, yes it can be done. Agree with others that it may not be best way. I am by no means a skilled mechanic but can drop pump, and uncouple drive shaft, unbolt pressure plate and remove disc in less than hour. After this is done you can look things over and decide where to go from there.



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RickB

01-02-2005 09:38:35




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 Re: super m clutch replacement in reply to jim in ny, 01-01-2005 16:28:59  
There is an old saying; The easiest way to do anything is the hard way. I don't know if the SM clutch can come out the bottom, but I do know you can't get the pressure plate out, or reface the flywheel from underneath. I would split it before I laid on my back and fought with it only to find out I needed to split it anyway.



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Aces

01-01-2005 19:02:40




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 Re: super m clutch replacement in reply to jim in ny, 01-01-2005 16:28:59  
Jim The H and M can have the clutch changed with out splitting the tractor. But with the 12" clutch you (might) get the drive member out you might pinch a finger or to. I would not think of trying it splitting faster.



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NDS

01-02-2005 04:40:46




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 Re: super m clutch replacement in reply to Aces, 01-01-2005 19:02:40  
Getting the disc out is no problem, getting it back in can be tricky. Have seen it done several times though and would not think it posed as much danger as splitting tractor without proper stands and equipment.



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NDS

01-01-2005 17:52:07




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 Re: super m clutch replacement in reply to jim in ny, 01-01-2005 16:28:59  
I have to respectively disagree with other posters. Clutch disk ONLY can be replaced without splitting tractor. Had one out about year ago it has to be turned just right to come out. When it came time to put it back in I gave up and got old IH man to put it back together. HE got everthing lined up just so and after couple of failed attempts it slipped right in.

I&T Manual says:

To remove the clutch cover assembly which is used with the 12 inch diameter lined clutch disc on late production M, MV, MDV, and all Super M. MV, MD and MDV tractors, it is necessary to disconnect the clutch housing from the engine. THE LINED DISC, HOWEVER. CAN BE REMOVED THROUGH THE OPENING IN THE BOTTOM OF THE HOUSING.

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MN Scott

01-01-2005 17:18:11




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 Re: super m clutch replacement in reply to jim in ny, 01-01-2005 16:28:59  
That only works on the H. You have to split the SM to remove the clutch. While you have it apart make sure you replace the pilot bearing and the throw out bearing. If your clutch has been slipping you would be wise to replace the pressure plate to. You can buy the complete kits very reasonably.



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MagMan

01-01-2005 17:16:40




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 Re: super m clutch replacement in reply to jim in ny, 01-01-2005 16:28:59  
Nope The H is the only one I beleve that can be done with out splitting. JON



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DWV

01-01-2005 17:48:15




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 Re: super m clutch replacement in reply to MagMan, 01-01-2005 17:16:40  
M with 11 inch clutch can be changed without
split.Late M with 12 inch and SM split it.



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MN Scott

01-01-2005 17:15:12




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 Re: super m clutch replacement in reply to jim in ny, 01-01-2005 16:28:59  
That only works on the H. You have to split the SM to remove the clutch. While you have it apart make sure you replace the pilot bearing and the throw out bearing. If your clutch has been slipping you would be wise to replace the pressure plate to. You can buy the complete kits very reasonably.



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Nebraska Cowman

01-01-2005 16:46:25




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 Re: super m clutch replacement in reply to jim in ny, 01-01-2005 16:28:59  
nope, ya gotta split it.



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