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still trying to set the timing on my 44 H, I'm clo

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tanner clark

01-01-2005 14:41:15




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I was able to get the hand crank working, actually the wife was able to. Anyway. Ok guys, I got it to backfire I thought I set the TDC on the no:1 cylinder, and the wires from the spark plug to the Dist. 1 on 1, 2 on 3, 3 on 4, 4 on 3. I know this is wrong but this is what I did and it backfired through the muffler so something was slightly correct, right?. I had set the TDC with the single notch on the crank and not the double notches. I felt for the compression, I let go of the starter and it stopped right on the single notch so this is when I tried firing it up, and it backfired. I tried this a couple of times and it would only backfire each time I tried it. Plus it blew out carbon each time out the exhaust. Eventhough the wiring was incorrect I thought it might be right and that I was just on the exhaust stroke and not the compression stroke, so I thought I just needed to change it over 180 degrees, I did this and then I didn't get a back fire or anything. So now I am back to square one. After reading my owners manual, it says to set the TDC on no:1 by hand cranking the motor until the timing pointer is at the first of the double notches. Is this correct, by doing this will the TDC be set correctly on the no:1? And then you need to time the Dist. to the motor, correct?

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Tanner Clark

01-04-2005 04:09:16




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 Re: still trying to set the timing on my 44 H, I'm in reply to tanner clark, 01-01-2005 14:41:15  
Ok the wife and I set the timing last night using the handcrank and got the no:1 on TDC. The pointer was just between the double notches on the pulley. I was able to see the piston real easy, and it had a lot of junk on the top of it. But anyway, The rotor was pointing at like 6 o'clock instead of 2 o'clock, so I pulled it off and turned the gears so that it was sitting at 2 o'clock. I then wired it up, checked everything, put the battery in, and hit the starter. Nothing happened. So I am back to where I was. The only things I have not really checked out is the voltage regulator or the 12 volt generator. Could these be a problem? Frustrated yet again.

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El Toro

01-02-2005 06:53:06




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 Re: still trying to set the timing on my 44 H, I'm in reply to tanner clark, 01-01-2005 14:41:15  
Hi Tanner, You may have it on the compression stroke. Have your wife crank it over again by hand until you feel pressure against your thumb.
Keep cranking very easy until you're at the first notch. Check your rotor to see if it's pointing to No1 in the distr; if it is make sure your plug wires are in the right order. No1,3,4 and 2 as viewed clockwise. Try starting it then. Hal



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tanner clark

01-02-2005 05:46:28




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 Re: still trying to set the timing on my 44 H, I'm in reply to tanner clark, 01-01-2005 14:41:15  
Hey guys, thanks for the responses. It might be a simple question but I know that engines are different in cylinder alignment. With this motor looking at it from the Dist. side, no:1 is at front nearest the radiator, is it safe to assume that the cylinders follow order from there sequentially, meaning, then no:2 then no:3 then no:4 from front to rear of the motor? And hypthetically speaking from the directions below, setting TDC for the no:1 cylinder could be done just by setting the pointer on the first of the double notches, correct, or is there basically a 50/50 chance that it would be the compression stroke or the exhaust stroke? I just wanted to ask the obvious questions so I can follow through with your good directions below.

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Farmer Bob

01-02-2005 09:37:45




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 Re: still trying to set the timing on my 44 H, I'm in reply to tanner clark, 01-02-2005 05:46:28  
Tanner, At the risk of getting my other foot stomped on, you are correct in assuming the cylinders of your engine are numbered in order from the front (Radiator end) to the back as 1-2-3-4 no matter which side you are looking at. Each cyl has two strokes, one compression and one exhaust. The reason you must have number one at TDC on compression stroke to time it is that it has just compressed the air and fuel drawn in through the intake valve and fires at that position. If you have the cylinder firing at TDC on the exhaust stroke, there is not any compressed air and fuel mixture to ignite as all of the spent gases have just been pushed out through the exhaust valve. I do hope you get this engine running.

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Nebraska Cowman

01-01-2005 16:24:57




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 Re: still trying to set the timing on my 44 H, I'm in reply to tanner clark, 01-01-2005 14:41:15  
tanner my bud, you don't need no marks nowhere. they only confuse you. Take #1 plug out with your trumb over the hole you can tell when the piston is coming up on compression stroke. then use a screwdriver or something to feel in the hole and you can tell when the piston is at the very top. that is TDC. I grab a hold of the fan and rock back and forth, you will see it is real easy to tell where TDC is. Without moving the engine set your points so the are just starting to open, then take notice which hole in the cap the rotor is pointing to. it should be 2 o'clock to be correct but it realy don't matter as long as you start where you are. Now put #1 plug wire in that hole and continue around clockwise. 1342, see how easy that was. the tractor should start right up. rotate the cap with engine ant fairly slow idle untill it seems to run smoothest. Then turn it back clockwise until it just starts to be under load. See how easy that was. You should have good throttle responce and engine should not want to kick back when you run the starter. Not a problem.

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MagMan

01-01-2005 16:27:49




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 Re: still trying to set the timing on my 44 H, I'm in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 01-01-2005 16:24:57  
Sorry NC your post was not there yet when I started my post. JON



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Nebraska Cowman

01-01-2005 16:49:55




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 Re: still trying to set the timing on my 44 H, I'm in reply to MagMan, 01-01-2005 16:27:49  
sorry didn't mean to step on toes. (pulls foot out of mouth) I just feel so bad for Tanner as he has been fightly this gallantly for several days



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MagMan

01-01-2005 17:13:07




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 Re: still trying to set the timing on my 44 H, I'm in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 01-01-2005 16:49:55  
Yes NC I figured that he has read so many posts that if he stuck with one good one that maybe he could get her running. I did not mean to step on your toes either. JON



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Farmer Bob

01-01-2005 15:32:42




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 Re: still trying to set the timing on my 44 H, I'm in reply to tanner clark, 01-01-2005 14:41:15  
Tanner, Sorry to hear the H is still not running. Let's start at your square one. Unhook the primary wires coming from your spark plugs to the distributor. With the cap lined up on the distributor, mark the location of the #1 post of the cap where it lines up to the outside of the distributor body with a file making a small groove in the distributor housing body. Now remove the distributor cap and set it aside. Remove the front most plug and maybe sweet talk your wife into slowly turning the handcrank while you have your finger over the plug hole. When you start to feel air coming out of the hole past your finger, have her stop turning. You can now turn the crank yourself just to where the first of the double marks on the crank pulley lines up with the pointer. Number 1 is now at TDC on compression stroke. Now look at where the metal contact of the rotor of the distributor is lined up. It should be at about the 2 o'clock position and lined up with that file mark you put on the distributor housing. If not, unbolt the distributor, pull it out far enough to manually turn the rotor until the contact of the rotor lines up with that file mark on the housing. You may have to do this a couple of times to get the contact of the rotor to line up with the filed mark. Now, snug up the disributor mounting bolts. Make sure the rotor is seated on the distributor shaft (You should not be able to turn the rotor at this point), install the distributor cap with the number 1 (if so marked on the cap) lined up with the file mark you made earlier. Snap the fasteners into place on the cap. Next re-install the Number 1 plug and wire it to the number 1 position on the cap. Going clockwise on the cap, next install the wire from #3 plug to the next post on the cap (Remember- clockwise), next wire from #4 plug to the next post on the cap and finally the wire from #2 plug to the last post on the cap. Attach the coil wire to the center post on the cap. Make a final check around engine for loose tools, remove the hand crank and try the starter. It should run but if not, post back for more help.

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MagMan

01-01-2005 16:26:03




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 Re: still trying to set the timing on my 44 H, I'm in reply to Farmer Bob, 01-01-2005 15:32:42  
Tanner listen to farmer Bob Forget everything we have told you already and do what bob just said. Just remember its very very important to get #1 compression stroke.You put your thumb over that hole with all the plugs out and have your wife turn her over with the crank for you. JON



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