656 Loader works - almost (pics)

Hope you had a good Christmas. You'll have to look what I bought myself - found a used Westendorf WL30 for under a $1000. My Uncle helped me install it - it works well .... except the lift arm operation.

We are trying to set up the lift arms on the outboard remote so that pulling the lever back raises the arms and pushing forward drops (seems logical for float as well.) After getting the Deere adaptors on, we tried it that way.

It lifted fine, and pushing the lever ahead to drop - it stayed in that position. We had to get another loader (yeah, a JD 3020) to ease the tension on the hoses to pull them off.

Now the interesting part - switching the hoses in the ports allows the loader to work - backwards, but it does raise and lower. It seems wierd to push forward to raise - and then a little further to float (where it drops).

Fluid and filter were changed recently - I did notice a little milky-white in the fluid when detaching the hose on the lower right-hand port.

Any advice?

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How do I determine the setup - I assume it is set up for dual as the left ports work just fine - I can lift the front of the tractor with the bucket tilt.

Thanks,
Eric

If you are planning on using the loader only on this tractor, once you have determined that the tractor hydraulics are working properly, I would put the correct ends on the hoses. That will eliminate one restriction in the line.

I have never had problems with adapters and use them some because of the difference in coupler styles between the ISO (like the old Pioneer and the newer standard couplers) and the large ones that IH used on the 66 & 86 (and probably others) series tractors, especially on equipment that I used on both (like a baler). I have had problems mixing couplers between styles and brands as others have mentioned, so keeping them the same is important.

That has happened to me acouple times. I forget what coupler combination caused it though. I think it was IH"s pointed tip females on the tractor and I had pioneers with the ball males. Anyhow, a if you combine them a certain way it locks up like you describe. If it were me, I"d buy male couplers like ones you know works and put the new ends right on the hoses..... .....Ditch those adapters. They are a PITA IMO.

Pretty darned snappy lookin' outfit ya got there. I think if I lived down in your part of the country that I'd have to own one of those loaders. I really like the looks of 'em.

The only thing I can think of is your adaptors. Don't 'spose you are cross breeding the JD ends with the IH ports, or something? If the darned tilt works okay, why shouldn't the lift?

Does the tractor's hydraulics work okay on a normal double acting cylinder? Maybe you have a messed up drop valve or some darned thing.

What you are trying to do should work.

Dunno, hope ya get 'er figured out,

Allan

The bucket (left port) works just fine - I assume I have pioneer ends on the tractor - as the rear ports have worked just fine so far with new pioneer parts (bought some new hose tips for other implements). How does a guy determine what he has. Sorry - I'm kinda new to hydraulics.

Eric

Unplug your tilt hoses and plug the lift hoses in their place. If the loader now lifts and drops properly you have a bad hydraulic remote unit on the tractor.

If it acts the same as it did on the other remote, then the trouble lies in the loader or it's hydraulic configuration.

The first thing you have to figure out is where the trouble lies.

Allan