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Gary Sykes

12-27-2004 20:11:10




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I have a super c that starts and runs great. Since cooler weather has arrived everytime i start it up there is moisture coming from the exhaust. It's not oil and it doesnt look like antifreeze. It looks like water mixed with soot. I put on a new headgasket and looked the block over for cracks,but did'nt see anything. Iv'e run the tractor 30 hours with a brushhog and disc. it has not used any oil nor is there water in the oil. Is it condensation? Anyone have any ideas?

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Peabody

12-28-2004 05:22:09




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 Re: condensation at startup. in reply to Gary Sykes, 12-27-2004 20:11:10  
Gary, I fretted with the same condition from my SC until I was convinced by others it was exactly as you say, soot and condensation. It seems to only happen for a few seconds after start-up. If you have a decent paint job, it's much easier to clean off the sheet metal if you wipe it off immediately with a clean rag. Otherwise, it tends to leave dark spots in the paint that have to be rubbed out.

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John *.?-!.* cub owner

12-27-2004 20:31:20




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 Re: condensation at startup. in reply to Gary Sykes, 12-27-2004 20:11:10  
I agree with allen. Your car or truck do the samething. You notice it on your C because the exhaust stack is right in front of you rather than the exhaust being behind you and out of site.



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Allan in NE

12-28-2004 04:56:29




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 Re: condensation at startup. in reply to John *.?-!.* cub owner, 12-27-2004 20:31:20  
Hi John,

I don't know whether I just wasn't paying attention in school that day or if my poor old memory is failing me; probably a little bit of both.

But, I do recall the fact that basically, a gasoline engine is really little more than a steam engine without the boiler and without the firebox and that those powerful "expanding gases" that are a result of the combustion are, in a large part, nothing more than the steam which is created during that same process of combustion.

As I remember, it is still the newly created and rapidly expanding ‘steam’ that actually provides the power and that the other chemical elements of the exhaust gases are merely residual leftovers of the explosion.

Maybe someone better educated than I can explain the process in better detail.

Allan

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captaink

12-28-2004 06:18:23




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 Re: condensation at startup. in reply to Allan in NE, 12-28-2004 04:56:29  
Others have pretty much summed it up. I just want to add that it is the cold exhaust parts (manifold, muffler, etc) that are causing the water vapor (steam) to condense into droplets. The droplets pick up the soot in the muffler, and eventually the drops are blown out of the exhaust. After the exhaust parts warm up to above 212 degrees F, they no longer will condense the water vapor, and the condition you describe goes away. Perfectly normal to see water drops blowing out of an exhaust pipe as an engine warms up.

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Allan in NE

12-27-2004 20:25:49




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 Re: condensation at startup. in reply to Gary Sykes, 12-27-2004 20:11:10  
Gary,

All gasoline engines create steam during the combustion process. You can hold your hand over any gasoline engine exhaust while it is running and you can feel that moisture.

Steam condenses into water as it cools in the exhaust. Betcha your tractor is plumb normal.

Allan



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Bob Quale

12-28-2004 11:14:49




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 Re: condensation at startup. in reply to Allan in NE, 12-27-2004 20:25:49  
My W-4 does the same thing! I am glad you asked the question!

Bob



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Randy in CO

12-28-2004 17:54:04




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 Re: condensation at startup. in reply to Bob Quale, 12-28-2004 11:14:49  
Fuel is a hydrocarbon, obviously containing hydrogen and carbon, mix that with air or O2, burn it and it leaves CO and H2O, carbon monoxide and water as the exhaust gases



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