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Farmall A head gasket-more questions

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fleet30

12-22-2004 07:20:16




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Thanks to everyone that answered my previous forum question about the head gasket leaking oil.
I've noticed that the gasket leaks mostly on the
right side of the head when the engine is hot.
also, someone mentioned that the head should be retightened when the engine is hot, will this help. When I replaced the gasket ,I had the head resurfaced and I cleaned the engine block surface the best that I could.
I also used some copper sealer. I guess I will end up taking the head back off and putting on a new gasket. I sure don't look forward to doing that but I don't want it to leak either. Who sells a good quality head gasket? Maybe the one I used wasn't a good quality one. Thanks to all you tractor guys for your help...Mike

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FH

12-22-2004 12:16:32




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 Re: Farmall A head gasket-more questions in reply to fleet30, 12-22-2004 07:20:16  
FWIW, I bought a new head gasket from an IH/Case dealer last year for an "A", it had the "FelPro" name stamped on it, around $15. It worked fine, maybe I was 'lucky'.



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Andy Martin

12-22-2004 10:49:12




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 Re: Farmall A head gasket-more questions in reply to fleet30, 12-22-2004 07:20:16  
I really don't understand your post.

You did not confirm that you carefully torqued your head in the proper sequence the first time. If you didn't, loosen all the nuts and retorque in sequence starting with about 25 ft lbs and working your way up to 50, then 75, then 80 (if that's the torque specification).

Then start it, warm it up, and retorque while it is still hot.

If you did torque in sequence, carefully, go ahead and warm it up and retorque it hot.

Then start talking about taking the head back off if it still leaks, but not before then.

Maybe there are low quality head gaskets but I've never had one. And most shops would have shown you the crack in the head if it has a problem. The key is proper sequence and very even tightening. You can, contrary to many skeptics, torque a head gasket twice, especially on low compression engines. If you did not torque it right don't blame the gasket or the design of the engine. I've never had any more trouble from an A, B or C than an H or M, even putting slightly warped heads back on but drawing them down evenly. If you don't know the torque sequence, someone can provide it.

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Jonathan Mirgon

12-22-2004 09:32:58




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 Re: Farmall A head gasket-more questions in reply to fleet30, 12-22-2004 07:20:16  
I have a 1940 (a) after an overhaul it took me three headgakets to keep water out of the oil ! the third one was a charm I guess, I did use permatex copper sealant on the gasket the third time and that seemed to do the trick.I too have heard that the c-113 is difficult to get sealed up.



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captaink

12-22-2004 08:21:27




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 Re: Farmall A head gasket-more questions in reply to fleet30, 12-22-2004 07:20:16  
There may be a difference in gasket brands, but what I have noticed the most is in how long they have been on the shelf. The ones that have been on the shelf a long time seem to not seal as good as a fresh one. My dad used to soak old gaskets (already used ones) in water for a couple of days and then put a thin coat of grease on each side just before installing them. I have seen this work myself as a last resort. I’m not suggesting that you do this rather I offer this for an example of what the effects of long shelf sitting can do.

When I torque heads on engines with studs, I continue the torque pattern until the torque on all the nuts is the same. When I re-torque the head after it has run, I do the same thing with the engine is at operating temperature. Keep at it until the torque stabilizes on each nut and with the engine warm. Metal expands when it is warm, so the studs will stretch when the engine is warm.

Good luck!

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the tractor vet

12-22-2004 07:56:11




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 Re: Farmall A head gasket-more questions in reply to fleet30, 12-22-2004 07:20:16  
It sure will as everything expands and the studs strech with heat you will see what i am telling you when you retoqure as every nut will be loose and go over every one twice . Now i have had problems with Felpro gskts before on the C221- 301's using the gasser spec. and solved the problem buy using the diesel spec. The newer gskt. do not seal like the old ones we had problems with a 400 head gskt. and had the head off twice when a buddy told me that he had 25 NOS head gskts for them so he gave me one to try and that cured the problem.

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Red Dave

12-22-2004 07:25:26




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 Re: Farmall A head gasket-more questions in reply to fleet30, 12-22-2004 07:20:16  
The last 2 I've used were Fel-Pro's.
One I got from a case/IH dealer, the other came from NAPA. Both worked OK.



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Brian Schmidt

12-22-2004 07:36:37




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 Re: Farmall A head gasket-more questions in reply to Red Dave, 12-22-2004 07:25:26  
Which place was cheaper on the head gasket? I have found that my dealer is sometimes cheaper on gaskets than the NAPA guy.

I have just pulled a head on a Super A and will need a new head gasket now too.



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CNKS

12-22-2004 07:56:35




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 Re: Farmall A head gasket-more questions in reply to Brian Schmidt, 12-22-2004 07:36:37  
C113/123's are sensitive about head gaskets. I would recommend Case-IH, as there is such a thing as "false economy".



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justin w

12-22-2004 11:06:23




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 Re: Farmall A head gasket-more questions in reply to CNKS, 12-22-2004 07:56:35  
One thing to note, is that IH changed the Torque specs on the cylinder head. The updated head torque is: 80 ft-lbs.



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