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Ramon from NC

12-17-2004 06:33:48




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Just another somewhat foolish newbie question. So I was using my box blade the other day and I kept finding that when I encountered some serious resistance, my right tire would spin while the left tire would stay put. I have a Farmall 100 with wheel weights on both sides but no fluid. Intuitively, maybe the left side doesn't spin because that is the side with the engine but I was wondering if that was good logic or perhaps my left tire is under-powered for some reason. Is an under-powered side even possible? Should I just fill both tires to solve the spinning problem? Thanks Ramon

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Ramon from NC

12-17-2004 14:01:23




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 Re: Tire spins on right side of Farmall 100 when w in reply to Ramon from NC, 12-17-2004 06:33:48  
Actually, I am good to go on several counts. Hugh, as regards the 300lb cast iron wheel, indeed it is on the right side so the factory set up is good to go. And I have wheel weights in addition to that. I think that filling the wheels will be about the last thing I do and I feel that it should do the job I'd like. As for the concern about filling the wheels, perhaps I mis-spoke. I have 10 gallons of anti-freeze in the barn along with the air-water filler adapter to fill up the tires. I think that should cover the freezing tires issue. Thanks Ramon

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Hugh MacKay

12-17-2004 15:55:55




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 Re: Tire spins on right side of Farmall 100 when w in reply to Ramon from NC, 12-17-2004 14:01:23  
Ramon: Shouldn't take a lot of anti-freeze in your climate. Up here that is a horse of a different color. Anti-freeze would be quite expemsive here in Canada.



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Hugh MacKay

12-17-2004 13:36:55




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 Re: Tire spins on right side of Farmall 100 when w in reply to Ramon from NC, 12-17-2004 06:33:48  
Ramon: Read Red Dave's advice, are you sure you have the wheels on right. And never try to position wheels of an offset so engine is centered. Center your wheels with final drives.



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EricB

12-17-2004 09:56:37




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 Re: Tire spins on right side of Farmall 100 when w in reply to Ramon from NC, 12-17-2004 06:33:48  
Ramon:
As you described filling your tires with water I had this hilarious picture in my mind. THINK! You are plowing snow... it freezes. So will the water in your tire. USE liquid CALCIUM. I can see you now driving down the road with frozen tires swollen and ready to bust with all the weight of the ice off centered.
Listen to these guys. (or take a video of it. Its your choice)



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George G

12-17-2004 14:20:21




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 Re: Tire spins on right side of Farmall 100 when w in reply to EricB, 12-17-2004 09:56:37  
About ten years ago. My father bought a used White 2-155 from the local dealer. One day he was going to take it over to the other farm, my mother was going to follow him. He said, It felt kinda funny when I was going up the drivway. I did'nt think much of it. Well, he got up on the road, stuck it into high gear, and took off. My mother said, the whole backend of the tractor started bouncing about two feet off the ground. Dad said, every time I went for the clutch, the clutch was someplace elce. He did finely get it stopped. Back tires were 3/4 full of ice.

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Red Dave

12-17-2004 07:00:59




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 Re: Tire spins on right side of Farmall 100 when w in reply to Ramon from NC, 12-17-2004 06:33:48  
A 100 should have a heavy, 300 lb cast iron wheel on the right side and a light, stamped sheet steel wheel on the left. This is for proper tractor balance to offset the engine weight.
This should be so whether or not you have water in the tires and/or wheel weights too.
By any chance, did somebody change this?



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Bill in Orono, MN

12-17-2004 06:45:26




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 Re: Tire spins on right side of Farmall 100 when w in reply to Ramon from NC, 12-17-2004 06:33:48  
You are correct that an uneven amount of weight is on one side. Try moving some weights over to the other side.

Other things to try in addition to the above.

Air pressure, lower will give you more traction.
Are the tires identical? If not that may aggrevate things a bit.
Try using the brake (L or R) to stop the spinning tire. This will transfer power to the other wheel.



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Ramon from NC

12-17-2004 06:57:27




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 Re: Tire spins on right side of Farmall 100 when w in reply to Bill in Orono, MN, 12-17-2004 06:45:26  
Man, you guys are awesome. The collective genius of this board with simple creative solutions never fails to astound me. I never thought of actually locking the right brake to see if the left would get more traction. Even if it doesn't work, it's still a pretty cool idea. Ultimately, I already have the anti-freeze in the barn and a water tire adapter from Miller Tire ready for filling the tires, I am just waiting for my neighbor to help me out with filling the tires, probably next month. Thanks guys! Ramon

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captaink

12-17-2004 13:43:51




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 Re: Tire spins on right side of Farmall 100 when w in reply to Ramon from NC, 12-17-2004 06:57:27  
You don't want to "lock" the break on the right wheel. If you try this you will want to "feather" the right brake a bit until you note the engine pulling down or the slippage on the wheel decrease. Read other posts for more cautions/reasons for wanting some slip in the tire(s) to prevent more serious damage to the drive train.



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Novel Idea Guy

12-17-2004 08:39:14




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 Re: Tire spins on right side of Farmall 100 when w in reply to Ramon from NC, 12-17-2004 06:57:27  
Be careful blindly following some of the advice you get. Some of it is just plain silly, some is downright foolish, and some is just plain dangerous.

First off, make sure your tractor is set up properly. You seem to have completely ignored the recommendations to make sure your tractor has the correct wheels on the correct sides. Go back and do that, or you could end up with the tractor riding YOU instead of you riding the tractor...

Now, the way a differential works is that the wheel with the least traction always spins first. If it's always the right wheel, then there is a reason for that: The right rear tire could be more worn than the left, or of a poorer design. If the tires aren't matched, then this is probably the reason.

The surface conditions might give you less traction under the right wheel. Sandy/slick/wet dirt under the right vs. hard dry under the left.

The tractor is light on the right side. Make sure the cast wheel center is on the right side!!!

Weighing down the tractor with reckless abandon is not the answer. When you're moving dirt, scraping, pushing, digging, plowing, YOU WANT THE TRACTOR TO SPIN!!! If wheels don't spin, something will break.

If you're not getting anything done, then add weight, within reason. Don't exceed the number of wheel weights as recommended in the owner's manual, and even then that may be too much. Add weight gradually, until you can do the job, then stop. Use common sense.

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Andy Martin

12-17-2004 08:19:47




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 Re: Tire spins on right side of Farmall 100 when w in reply to Ramon from NC, 12-17-2004 06:57:27  
Nothing magic, just experience. After working the tractor a while you will figure lots of things out others have figured out as well.

For instance, when working you will learn to work with the brakes unlocked so you can help steer with either one as the need arises (front end bouncing and not really on the ground)



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RustyFarmall

12-17-2004 07:10:53




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 Re: Tire spins on right side of Farmall 100 when w in reply to Ramon from NC, 12-17-2004 06:57:27  
You want to be careful about getting too much traction, the way it is now, when the box scraper meets with resistance, a tire loses traction and spins, annoying and even aggravating, but no damage has been done. If you weight the tires down to the point where they absolutely will not lose traction, and your box blade meets heavy resistance, something else in the system will then be the weak point, could be your clutch will slip, could be that the hitch will break, the box blade itself could be the weak link and break. This is the down side, on the upside, somewhere in between the tires slipping and things on the tractor breaking is a happy medium where you can get the work done without doing any damage. It is your mission to experiment and find this happy medium.

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Allan in NE

12-17-2004 07:30:18




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 Re: Tire spins on right side of Farmall 100 when w in reply to RustyFarmall, 12-17-2004 07:10:53  
Hi Rusty,

I've heard it said that I have one wheel off in the sand and spinning most of the time. :>)

Allan



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RustyFarmall

12-17-2004 10:35:50




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 Re: Tire spins on right side of Farmall 100 when w in reply to Allan in NE, 12-17-2004 07:30:18  
Allan, that puts you one step ahead of me, I often have one wheel in the sand and the other is up on a jack.



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RustyFarmall

12-17-2004 06:42:20




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 Re: Tire spins on right side of Farmall 100 when w in reply to Ramon from NC, 12-17-2004 06:33:48  
The right rear tire will just about always be the first one to lose to lose traction. This is true no matter what brand or model of tractor, truck or car with rear wheel drive. It has to do with the manner in which the differential works. It would seem that maybe you are trying to go too deep with blade.



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ebbsspeed

12-17-2004 08:17:47




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 Re: Tire spins on right side of Farmall 100 when w in reply to RustyFarmall, 12-17-2004 06:42:20  
In cars and trucks with an open driveshaft, the rotational torque of the driveshaft actually takes weight off of the right wheel and puts additional weight on the left (in vehicles with engines that turns clockwise viewed from the front). This is very evident in high-powered rear-wheel drive cars. On a hard launch (stoplight, dragstrip), this tendency of the driveshaft to "turn" the rear end causes the left front corner of the car to lift, and the right rear corner of the car to drop. This effect is much more evident in vehicles with open driveshafts and spring-mounted rear axles. On a tractor, with the engine, frame and rearend basically a solid unit, the effect is almost non-existant, as the frame has to flex in order for this to occur. Further, since the front of the tractor is either a narrow front, or a wide front with a center pivot, it is more likely that this torque-induced flex will simply cause the front of the tractor to lean slightly to the right, rather than causing a weight transfer from one rear wheel to the other. On transverse-crankshaft tractors (John Deere two-cylinders) this torque effect is non-existant, since the crankshaft and rear axle are parallel to each other.

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Bob

12-17-2004 10:50:35




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 Re: Tire spins on right side of Farmall 100 when w in reply to ebbsspeed, 12-17-2004 08:17:47  
EXCELLANT explanation, ebb! I was trying to find the words to explain what you did, and post it, but you beat me to it!



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