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MeAnthony

12-15-2004 05:35:27




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Please forgive my ignorance, but what's the point of using a rollover plow? What can you do with them that can't be accomplished with a conventional plow? I don't believe I've ever seen one around here (here would be south central Michigan), are they specific to certain geographical areas? Thanks much for the info, and y'all have a great day!




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RayP(MI)

12-16-2004 18:43:48




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 Re: Rollover plow ? in reply to MeAnthony, 12-15-2004 05:35:27  
Well, you're going to have one dead furrow and one back furrow even with the flip over plow. You gotta start some where, and end somewhere! With a conventional one way plow, farmers usually break the fields into "lands" and plow a section at a time. This leaves several unfinished furrows, both back, and dead. Trick is to plow exactly opposite the next time so that you fill in your dead furrows and level your back furrows.

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Haas

12-16-2004 05:50:31




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 Re: Rollover plow ? in reply to MeAnthony, 12-15-2004 05:35:27  
As others mentioned, often called hillside plows, as you can always throw the dirt up hill. Very handy on steep ground, because the uphill wheel runs in the furrow, reducing the tilt of the tractor. Running the downhill wheel in the furrow on steep ground not a good idea.



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farmallkid From ONT.

12-15-2004 15:31:02




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 Re: Rollover plow ? in reply to MeAnthony, 12-15-2004 05:35:27  
As others have said, they leave no dead furrows, that sure is nice. These plows are big in europe, almost all the plows are rollovers. They are also big in the worlds plowing competion. Them plows are worth $40-$60k



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Fred Iron

12-15-2004 11:46:22




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 Re: Rollover plow ? in reply to MeAnthony, 12-15-2004 05:35:27  
I have a 3X16 Oliver roll over plow. I use it up in the thumb of Michigan. It is great on flat ground with poor drainage because there is no dead furrow to hold surface water. If you go up around the Saginaw bay area you will see a quite a few of these plows. Also in areas that have alot of muck ground. I have never heard of these being used on hills.



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SuperM

12-16-2004 12:09:30




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 Re: Rollover plow ? in reply to Fred Iron, 12-15-2004 11:46:22  
Yes, you can use them on hils if you have enough tractor to do so. We ran a Case IH 4x18 Rollover plow on a 1466 a few years back. There were 2 problems though... 1. Finding enough suitcase weights to keep the front end down when you picked the 3 point mounted plow out of the ground, and... 2. 20.8 rubber doesn't fit in an 18" furrow too well. You could make a lot of time though.



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Allan in NE

12-16-2004 12:33:10




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 Re: Rollover plow ? in reply to SuperM, 12-16-2004 12:09:30  
Yes Sir,

Neighbor of mine had the same setup. He said it was heavier than a load of taters and tugged a little hard.

But, boy! Could he ever cover the real estate with the thing hooked behind that 10!

Allan



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Allan in NE

12-15-2004 11:54:16




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 Re: Rollover plow ? in reply to Fred Iron, 12-15-2004 11:46:22  
Hi Fred,

I've never laid eyes on an Oliver plow. I've heard that they are the first cousin to a Massey?

Thanks,

Allan



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Fred Iron

12-16-2004 10:32:41




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 Re: Rollover plow ? in reply to Allan in NE, 12-15-2004 11:54:16  
Hello Allen

There are a quite a few Oliver plows around Michigan, but not many Massey plows. My dad had a Massey Ferguson 3 bottom 3-point plow (not a roll over). 2 things stick out in my memory about that plow. It had a 2 piece plow point and every plow of same model I came across had the Massey Ferguson decal on upside down!
If my digital camera wasn't broke I would post a pic of my Oliver plow.

Fred

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Hound

12-15-2004 08:57:37




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 Re: Rollover plow ? in reply to MeAnthony, 12-15-2004 05:35:27  
...no dead furrows to run over with the culitvator.... thats good enough for me. Hound



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Farmall SM

12-15-2004 07:13:27




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 Re: Rollover plow ? in reply to MeAnthony, 12-15-2004 05:35:27  
I live in Lancaster County, PA where we have rolling terrain that is susceptable to erosion. When plowing fields to prepare for our tobacco crop, we always like to throw the furrow uphill. This helps to hold the water better and keeps the worked ground consistent (no gaps or mounds) across the width of the field. I"ve spent many hours on a tractor with a one-way 4 bottom plow, plowing to the end of the field, only to turn around and drive back to the other end to start again. Roll-over plows allow you to plow in both directions (out and back in), thereby saving much time, not to mention fuel.

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Allan in NE

12-15-2004 06:08:59




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 Re: Rollover plow ? in reply to MeAnthony, 12-15-2004 05:35:27  
Mornin' Guy,

It is kinda hard to explain unless you are familiar with flood irrigation. The land is so darned flat; ideally, it will have a slope of roughly 3' to a 1000 foot run.

As a consequence of this flat irrigation farming, the seedbed must almost totally level so that the water will follow the furrow from headland to drain-water as it should.

Therefore, when plowing, there can be no dead furrows, there can be no "holes" or “mounds” and there can be no "trash" left on the surface because these things would impede the flow of the water.

You need to either plow in both directions, or you must plow the whole entire farm, traveling in one direction only. In short, "normal" plows just do not work well in this environment.

I think John Deere originally came out with the dual-direction plows, then came the tumble plows and finally the spinners, or as you call 'em, the rollovers. They allow plowing in both directions without ever changing the 'throw direction' of the soil.

Also, and as a result of using these types of plows, we that are used to 'em think that the little one-way plows are the silliest thing ever dreamed up by mankind, because with the spinner, you can cover so much real estate faster and there is no lost motion from running back and forth across the headland. :>)

Allan

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superih

12-15-2004 11:04:15




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 Re: Rollover plow ? in reply to Allan in NE, 12-15-2004 06:08:59  
Allen

The boys in the Frankenmuth area of Michigan (the thumb as we call it) plow very flat land with conventional plows. The trick is they plow around a field like you would seed with a grain drill. They put the backfurrow in the middle of the field and the dead furrow ends up around the border of the field. Quite an art to get the field to come out right.



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Ian Davies

12-17-2004 20:52:21




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 Re: Rollover plow ? in reply to superih, 12-15-2004 11:04:15  
The trick is plough the field with any plough then quickly hitch up a rotary hoe to cover up all your mistakes you can and all the dead furrows around the edge. this works every time.
Sit back and admire



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Allan in NE

12-15-2004 11:37:24




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 Re: Rollover plow ? in reply to superih, 12-15-2004 11:04:15  
Hi,

Yes Sir, that's is the way a lot of the dryland farmers do it here too.

Trouble is, it leaves four diagonal "turn rows" that have to be dealt with and this in turn leaves four diagnoal dead furrows.

To a wheat farmer, this doesn't raise much concern and they just farm over the top of them.

However, to a flood irrigation farmer, it means you would spend the summer on the end of an irrigation shovel trying to straighten that mess out because the water won't run.

Here's a picture of a fella in SE South Dakota using a one way high clearance plow, probably doing like you describe the boys up there do.

Allan

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Ramon from NC

12-16-2004 06:47:59




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 Re: Rollover plow and dead furrows question? in reply to Allan in NE, 12-15-2004 11:37:24  
I am not quite following the conversation. So a normal plow leaves a mound on the furrow where you start and leaves a dead furrow (dug furrow) where you end. Folks keep saying that a rollover plow leaves neither the mound nor the dead furrow. Is this because they are using it in such a way that neither the mound furrow nor dead furrow are created or because after they are done plowing, they go back and level the mound and fill in the dead furrow? Sorry for the basic question, just want to understand. Also, with a normal plow, one could throw the dirt uphill as well, right? You just don't have the advantage of not having to drive back to the same side so you are always plowing in the same direction. Thanks Ramon

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gene b

12-15-2004 05:58:21




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 Re: Rollover plow ? in reply to MeAnthony, 12-15-2004 05:35:27  
Great for contour as you turn the furrow uphill. Also in land that is irrigated as there will be no dead furrows. They are still being used several places.



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Farmall Ed

12-15-2004 05:54:11




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 Re: Rollover plow ? in reply to MeAnthony, 12-15-2004 05:35:27  
I believe they are for plowing in the hills, I never used one with a tractor,but spent many days with a hillside plow behind a team of mules.When you got to the end you flipped the wing over and plowed the other way.Most all of our land was not accessable with a tractor,so mules and hillside plows were the only way,we had a D John Deere that we used to power the sawmill,we used it very little for farm work. ED

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Andy Martin

12-15-2004 05:48:33




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 Re: Rollover plow ? in reply to MeAnthony, 12-15-2004 05:35:27  
You can plow down the field and back on the same furrow. Often they are called "hillside" plows. They are handy on a narrow hill side field. You can always throw the soil uphill to counter erosion.

A conventional plow always throws soil to the right. A hillside plow lets you throw it to the left on the return trip.



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ian Davies

12-15-2004 10:24:48




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 Re: Rollover plow ? in reply to Andy Martin, 12-15-2004 05:48:33  
is it the same as a reversible plow?
With the extra weight how does it affect a tractor draft control ie would a 674 which pulls a 3 furrow plow also be able to pull a 3 furrow rollover as easy due to the extra weight on the draft control?



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Allan in NE

12-15-2004 11:47:38




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 Re: Rollover plow ? in reply to ian Davies, 12-15-2004 10:24:48  
Ian,

I would guess that when a plow is in the ground, it's weight has nothing to do with the way it pulls.

Draft senses "tug" not weight.

If I'm wrong about this, someone please correct?

Thanks,

Allan



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