Welcome! Please use the navigational links to explore our website.
PartsASAP LogoCompany Logo Auction Link (800) 853-2651

Shop Now

   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver

Farmall & IHC Tractors Discussion Forum
:

300U sputtering

Welcome Guest, Log in or Register
Author 
PAULIH300

12-14-2004 14:06:45




Report to Moderator

Finally got my new 300U running.The timing was way off and the coil popped.Now however,I cannot get any response from the throttle to raise/lower engine speed,and it regularly sputters and spits flame out the pipe when under load (in gear/hydraulics engaged)and nearly stalls.Obviously something is way out of adjustment.....the carb will need to be opened up I am sure,but I'm unsure if there is something I'm overlooking.
It now starts excellent with little to no choke.

[Log in to Reply]   [No Email]
Unreserved dick

12-14-2004 18:57:23




Report to Moderator
 Re: 300U sputtering in reply to PAULIH300, 12-14-2004 14:06:45  
Sounds as though you've got yourself an interesting tractor.

Given what you're describing, the first thing I'd do (with the engine off) is to pull the cover off of the governor (in front of the carb) and see what it's doing when you adjust the throttle setting - that's where the engine speed is controlled. The first third of the throttle shouldn't stretch the governor spring (the tractor is working off of the idle circuit); the rest of the travel you should see it stretch. It's pretty common for the throttle linkages to be sloppy on these old tractors, and you may have to do whatever to tighten it up - but I doubt that's all of your problem.

It sounds as though your governor isn't working, and that would explain why bad things happen under load (the governor isn't supplying enough gas to handle it). The governor does its work by adjusting (very quickly) the position of a butterfly valve between the body of the carb and the intake manifold - it can get bound up either by wear or if somebody doesn't install the carb correctly. If you don't see anything obvious in the governor, I'd think seriously about checking the linkage between it and this valve.

It would be interesting to know how fast your single-speed engine is turning at this point (is the tach working?) and what a timing light is telling you. You should have either 3 or 4 timing marks on the fan belt pulley which line up with a pointer off the front cover which you should be able to see if you look down from the right side of the tractor near the oil fill. The timing should line up with either the mark which is isolated from the others (TDC) at low idle speed, or with the second one from the opposite side (22 degree advance) at high idle. If you're somewhere in between, it probably should be closer to the high-idle mark.

You probably should check the distributor to see if the plug wires are in the proper order - firing order is stamped on the engine.

Hope this helps. Let us know what you find.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
PAULIH300

12-14-2004 19:24:25




Report to Moderator
 Re: 300U sputtering in reply to Unreserved dick, 12-14-2004 18:57:23  
third party image

Here's a pic of how it looks now.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Unreserved dick

12-14-2004 19:52:33




Report to Moderator
 Re: 300U sputtering in reply to PAULIH300, 12-14-2004 19:24:25  
Still all sounds consistant with governor problems. The linkage between the governor and the butterfly is in the horizontal shaft-like piece behind the exhaust pipe in your picture.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
PAULIH300

12-15-2004 05:23:12




Report to Moderator
 Re: 300U sputtering in reply to Unreserved dick, 12-14-2004 19:52:33  
Where can you open up the governor without pieces falling out? There is the tube between the carb and it,and then there is the tube leading around the front of the engine.The linkage is moving freely and there is some slack in the connection between the hand control and the linkage but its not bad.Seems like a spring is still attached.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
PAULIH300

12-14-2004 19:05:02




Report to Moderator
 Re: 300U sputtering in reply to Unreserved dick, 12-14-2004 18:57:23  
Wires are in correct firing order.
Speed is approx 1200 rpm.No,the tach has no cable hooked up.It sputters to a degree even when "idling".The screw nearest to the front of the carb will reduce the speed or speed it up,but only to a point.It wont take a load with the hydraulics engaged and it loads badly when in gear (and going S L O W).
One good thing....it has at least 1/2 gauge of oil pressure! And its instant after it fires.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Sean in Calgary

12-14-2004 14:54:51




Report to Moderator
 Re: 300U sputtering in reply to PAULIH300, 12-14-2004 14:06:45  
There are very experienced folks on this board and if they tell you I am way off base, listen to them (I won't be offended because the odds are 99% that they are right). That being said, I am not a total newbie at this game. The fact that your machine starts well would suggest to me that your problem isn't carb related. It sound more to me like there are issues with the spark advance mechanism in your distributor. I am not 100% positive how this works in our little red workhorses but I would start by looking at the distributor (under the plate).

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
PAULIH300

12-14-2004 15:03:13




Report to Moderator
 Re: 300U sputtering in reply to Sean in Calgary, 12-14-2004 14:54:51  
I have also noticed some "water" or some clear substance inside the bottom of the air cleaner assembly.I'm wondering if the engine is sucking this stuff in and causing some of the rough running.Is this a sealed "baffle" of some kind or a replaceable element air cleaner? I cant find a filter listing for it.Or is it oil bath(?) and the oil has been replaced with water??



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Sean in Calgary

12-14-2004 15:28:19




Report to Moderator
 Re: 300U sputtering in reply to PAULIH300, 12-14-2004 15:03:13  
Well, no matter what filter system you have the water doesn't belong in there. On my 350U the glass pre-cleaner bottle is missing (need to steal one of the wife's mason jars soon) but the air then goes into the filter canister. The canister is filled with heavy steel screen. The bottom of the filter canister is a removable steel bowl that has a fill line on it. This bowl should be filled to the fill line with motor oil. I remember reading many posts during haying season expounding how effective a filter system this is and what damage you can do without the oil in the bowl. If you need a pic of what I am talking about, let me know.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
PAULIH300

12-14-2004 15:32:56




Report to Moderator
 Re: 300U sputtering in reply to Sean in Calgary, 12-14-2004 15:28:19  
If you go to www.photobucket.com you could post your pic there and then link it to here.Its a free service.

Wished they offered a conversion to a paper element,this one will only be used during the winter months...not a lot of dust/dirt floating around then..



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
gene b

12-14-2004 15:58:26




Report to Moderator
 Re: 300U sputtering in reply to PAULIH300, 12-14-2004 15:32:56  
Get a piece of pipe from a muffler shop and bend it and put an aftermarket paper filter assy on the top.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
[Options]  [Printer Friendly]  [Posting Help]  [Return to Forum]   [Log in to Reply]

Hop to:


TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
We sell tractor parts!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today. [ About Us ]

Home  |  Forums


Copyright © 1997-2023 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters

Website Accessibility Policy