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Kerosene option for the H

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PA Steve

12-13-2004 14:24:32




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Was kerosene an option the whole time the H was produced or did the option go away sometime in the late 40's? Are are all the kerosene models supposed to have shutters? I just ran into an H with the kerosene option that had no sign of shutters. Also, when did the coil spring seat go into production? The '43 H I ran into had a coil spring seat and that threw me off a bit. Thanks for the help,

Steve

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CNKS

12-13-2004 17:13:25




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 Re: Kerosene option for the H in reply to PA Steve, 12-13-2004 14:24:32  
The IH hydraulic seat became available at SN 15698, early 1940. As mentioned below the Monroe seat had a long shock behind the spring, the IH one a short shock under the seat.



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dave

12-13-2004 16:39:48




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 Re:kero or distillate difference in reply to PA Steve, 12-13-2004 14:24:32  
Was there any difference between the tractors designed for gas over kerosene and the ones designed gas over distillate?What was the difference if any?I wondered if my distillate H would burn kerosene.



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randy hall

12-13-2004 18:47:38




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 Re:kero or distillate difference in reply to dave, 12-13-2004 16:39:48  
the compression and power is less in the kerosine engine. kerosine was rated zero octane and distillate was rated at 36 octane.



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CNKS

12-13-2004 17:22:02




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 Re:kero or distillate difference in reply to dave, 12-13-2004 16:39:48  
The head, and piston and sleeve sets have different part numbers for gas, distillate, and kerosene, I don't know the specific differences. Crankshafts and cu in are the same. My guess would be that you could burn kerosene in a distillate engine and vice versa, but that the maximum power would be developed with the fuel for which it was designed. I believe I have read that a kerosene or distillate engine develops more power on those fuels than it will with gasoline, also. The gas designed engine has more HP than either one.

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Paul in Mich

12-13-2004 15:59:20




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 Re: Kerosene option for the H in reply to PA Steve, 12-13-2004 14:24:32  
Kerosene became a practical fuel during WWII when gasolent became scarce and tightly rationed. Most tractors produced during those years were indeed Kerosene or Distilate (power fuel). After the war, when gasolene rations ended, and became more available, it also became more desirable to burn gasolene as it created a couple more HP from the same engine, at a cost much less than going to a larger tractor. Some farmers, however continued using Kerosene and distilate fuel, and in fact some of the new models built after the war were equipped for Kero and Dist, but in far fewer numbers than during the war. I"m not sure when dual fuel was discontinued, but if memory serves me correctly, it continued to some degree throughout the entire letter series run. Someone else may contradict me, and if so, ok, because I"d like to be enlightened. As to shutters, all Kerosene and distilate tractors were equipped with shutters as it was necessary to control the temperature of the engine so as to allow for better combustion of the low grade fuels. It was also necessary to have a small auxillary tank for gasolene for which to start the tractor as it was nearly impossible to start on Kerosent or Distilate. If your tractor was such a tractor, it would have had shutters, and the small tank. Many of these items were stripped and discarded when gasolent became the fuel being ran. If you look at the plate containing the kill switch and pulley control lever, you may have a small crank which seems to go nowhere. This would have been the shutter control. The coil seat, as Cowman said, would have been a replacement as the factory seat was the type which had the curved frame and small tool box attached. Monroe came out with the coil spring seat much similar to the ones available as options from the factory on the later post war models, except the old monroe seat had the shock absorber behind the seat rather than the mid mount on the later models.

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PA Steve

12-15-2004 09:23:57




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 Re: Kerosene option for the H in reply to Paul in Mich, 12-13-2004 15:59:20  
Thanks to all for the comments - very informative.
Steve



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RustyFarmall

12-13-2004 17:02:26




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 Re: Kerosene option for the H in reply to Paul in Mich, 12-13-2004 15:59:20  
I am pretty sure the distillate option was available all the way up to and including the Farmall 350 and 450.



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Paul in Mich

12-14-2004 07:02:49




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 Re: Kerosene option for the H in reply to RustyFarmall, 12-13-2004 17:02:26  
Rusty, I think so too, as I have seen ads which would indicate as such. I would imagine they were in very small and dwindling numbers though.



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Nebraska Cowman

12-13-2004 15:32:03




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 Re: Kerosene option for the H in reply to PA Steve, 12-13-2004 14:24:32  
Monroe made an aftermaket seat that looks just like the one IH used on the later Hs. You can tell them apart by the hole spacing as they are made to fit Deere too.



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