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W4 / Model H Background Info

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Crockett

12-08-2004 17:23:23




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Hi Folks:
This is a IH newcomers question so please ignore my ignorance in these matters. I have a Ford 8N but know little about Farmalls. It is posted on this board that the W4 is the standard tread version of the Model H. Other than that I could not find too much information on the W4. It appears from looking at parts catalogs that many of the parts (especially engine parts) interchange between these models (same engine?). Some other parts do as well. However there are many parts listed for the H where there is no listing for the W4. So here are my questions.

1. What is the background / history / relationship between the W4 and the H?

2. Do most H parts fit the W4? If not, what is the status of parts availability for the W4?

3. What are the pros / cons / opinions of the W4 as held by Farmall owners?

Thanks in advance for your help.

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EricB

12-10-2004 08:34:29




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 Re: W4 / Model H Background Info in reply to Crockett, 12-08-2004 17:23:23  
Interesting question.
H is definately a row crop machine with the narrow centered front tires. The W4 has the wide spaced tires. While the production was about 10 H"s for every W-4, up here in Ontario I know of at least 10 W-4"s that are still working today (mine included)but I never see an H. I suspect the snow has something to do with it and that H"s probably don"t steer well on ice.



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Jim in michigan

12-08-2004 19:59:29




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 Re: W4 / Model H Background Info in reply to Crockett, 12-08-2004 17:23:23  
I have a H and a W4 both,, Love the H ,, hate the W4, thats probably why the W4 is for sale...The W4 is awful to sit on and kind of scarey to drive with your butt hangin out in space and your feet straight ahead of you. I see no difference in power except maybe the H tire size makes it pull a lil harder...Jim



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caseman-d

12-08-2004 20:18:08




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 Re: W4 / Model H Background Info in reply to Jim in michigan, 12-08-2004 19:59:29  
I grew up mowing with a H. Always worked for what we used it for. Used the belt pulley on it in the winter time on the buzz saw. Farmed with a W-9 so I also enjoyed the standards. I bought a W-4 last month and have a blast driving it. So if you still have your W-4 for sale email me. Would enjoy seeing pictures of it.
caseman-d



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Sloroll

12-08-2004 18:07:49




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 Re: W4 / Model H Background Info in reply to Crockett, 12-08-2004 17:23:23  
Being a rowcrop an H easily turns inside the W4 wide front. The H is easier on the stearing too, the W4 is less likely to break your thumb if you hit a frozen meadow muffin or gopher hole though. It is a little difficult getting used to the forward leg position and breaks on a W4 when you are used to the upright posture on an H. I will always think of the Farmall H as the most wonderful tractor built. Avoind a manure bucket on an H's narrow front end, It balls up bad and skis in mud. There is nothing more relaxing and down right enjoyable as cutting and rakeing hay on a nice H with barnswallows in toe.

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CNKS

12-08-2004 17:38:24




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 Re: W4 / Model H Background Info in reply to Crockett, 12-08-2004 17:23:23  
The H is a row crop tractor, the W4 is for pulling trailing implements only--used by farmers who grew wheat and other small grains that were not cultivated. The engines are the same, few other parts will directly match. Tire size and gearing are different. Parts for a W4 may be somewhat harder to find because of lower production, but are usually available. One step up in size is the W6/WD6, which used the same engine as the M. The largest version was the W9/WD9 which had no row crop equivalent. There really are no "cons" to either tractor, as the farmer had the choice of buying the tractor that best suited his operation. All of the letter and W series tractors were very reliable, that's why they are still around today.

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CNKS

12-08-2004 17:44:50




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 Re: W4 / Model H Background Info in reply to CNKS, 12-08-2004 17:38:24  
Minimum center to center tread width is 64 inches, add one tire width to that, so it should fit if the wheels are moved in.



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CNKS

12-08-2004 17:46:09




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 Re: W4 / Model H Background Info in reply to CNKS, 12-08-2004 17:44:50  
Wish I could delete this!! Belongs under Farmall B below.



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Nebraska Cowman

12-08-2004 17:35:44




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 Re: W4 / Model H Background Info in reply to Crockett, 12-08-2004 17:23:23  
yes, they share the same engine but little else. The w4 is the standard tread version, smaller rear tires, no hydraulics, many do not even have PTO or belt pully. But for working around and under trees they have the advantage being much lower.



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parts man

12-09-2004 16:41:42




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 Re: W4 / Model H Background Info in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 12-08-2004 17:35:44  
I could be wrong, but seems to me I recall that the tranny gears were actually the same, different case but same gears. I guess I'll have to look through the parts books again.



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Fred Milner

12-09-2004 18:27:19




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 Re: W4 / Model H Background Info in reply to parts man, 12-09-2004 16:41:42  
Most of the gears in the W-4 and H are different But you can use the H gears in the W-4 if you change enough of them. I needed the 4th-5th slider gear for my W-4 but couldn't get one so I took an H trans. and changed a few gears and can now use the H gear that is common. It didn't change the speed so that you would notice it at all. Next time the 4th-5th goes out I just need to put in the H gear.

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