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MagMan

12-04-2004 17:26:28




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Ok I give up!! I have been working on my distributor trying to figure out why it ate one of the springs and washers that goes under the weights. Dang the only thing I cant figure out is why I have a 1/2" or a little more end play in the distributor shaft. Both thrust washers are there and I have page 48 in the IT manual open and every thing is accounted for. I took the distributor out of the cub and it is tight with in thousands end play. Can any one HELP. And cowman if you read this how much do you get for a used dist. JON

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ChadS

12-05-2004 05:54:54




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 Re: Distributor Woes in reply to MagMan, 12-04-2004 17:26:28  
magMan, is it a delco, or IH? Seeing the springs, Im betting on IH, Is it a vertical distirbutor, or a horizonal mounted distributor? You may check to see if the advance limit pin is in the hole in the plate, sometimes, the rotor shaft will float upwards ,and fall out of the plate. it will explode the wieghts by having no stop to limit, the amount of travel inthe advance. Any IH distributor will fit, provided it is from the same, vertical mounted distributors, were usually delcos,,, and have a different drive gear on the shaft,, so keep an eye out for that if u get another one,, What do you need? Got quite a few laying around, Hope this helps why it does that,, dont know if that is what happened to yours,, ChadS

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MagMan

12-05-2004 06:38:48




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 Re: Distributor Woes in reply to ChadS, 12-05-2004 05:54:54  
Hi Chad I guess its the IH horizontal thats the one on its side right ? I guess it exsploded the weights like you said . For some reason there is a 1/2"end play in the shaft and the spring came off and chewed things up a bit. I cant understand the end play unless someone drilled the hole wrong for the gear.or my housing is worn I dont know. I do know I am real short on cash right now. I have not been able to find any cheap mags to pick up to rebuild and sell. Everybody wants an arm leg and both golf balls for them. JON

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ChadS

12-05-2004 08:39:28




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 Re: Distributor Woes in reply to MagMan, 12-05-2004 06:38:48  
HMM, let me think here for a sec,, (jeopardy theme song going on here LOL!) There is nothing, that holds the rotor shaft, to the main drive shaft, it just rests on top of the shaft, and the weights, and the springs, hold it down. What happened to you is,, the slack in the advance is worn out,, and it has slack,, in cold weather, or it sits for a while,, the points trigger, will actually create the slack to go back and forth, (advance and retard, advance and retard) very fast, rocks the rotor shaft on the distributor shaft, and then, POP, the springs let loose, which relases the wieghts, and allows the rotor shaft to move upwards. If, there is no physical damage to the plates, rotor shaft, or drive shaft, if you still have all the small parts, like the washers, put it back together and use whte lithium grease, as lubricant on the advance weights. Now, you are talking about a 1/2 turn of play on the rotor shaft, and the drive shaft right? that is how much the advance actually travels. if you look at the bottom of the rotor shaft, youll see a small little round pin, which sets down into the drive plate, that is the setting of how much the rotor shaft will change the timing. if that pin is in the plate correctly, it will turn about 1/4 to almost a 1/2 rotation. It moves quite a bit actually. Those big ol stock springs, keep them from moving that far actually when you grab the rotor, and snap the advance rotor. Thats alot of distance in these distributor caps to get the advance right, (bteween plug towers on the cap) so it has to move that far. The springs,, keep the tension at rest, and when you quickly snap the drive shaft, the advance should activate, and throw the weights out, till centrifugal force takes hold, and brings them back closed, to the rest postition till the next rpm increased is senced, and it will spread upon acceleration, close, upon deceleration. I got a whole bunch of parts for IH and delco distributors from rebuilding them so much for pulling tractors. rotor shafts, plates, weights, and the little chevy springs too! if any of yours is broken, you get ahold of me, and Ill swap you out your broken parts, for good ones. In my work,, broken parts are the best,, cause you can modify them and not be thinking about messing up a good part! LOL!!!! Or, send me out the distributor, Ill rebuild it for you. You, pay the shipping though,,, Merry Christmas! Now on a performance note,, there is HP hiding there MagMan,,, By letting the chevy springs control the advcne tension,, it will activate twice as fast, therefore increasing yout throttle reponse time. the faster the distributor can ignite the fire,, the faster it will go from idle, to full throttle. It will start a whole lot easier too, See, when the advance is worn out,, it messes with the base timing, the rotor shaft, could be half way advanced already, when you set the timing, just due from the slack. Timing is made more precise after the advance is repaired. Id recommend, if anyone buys an old tractor,, this, should be the first thing you look at to repair, when they are bad,, you chase alot of ghosts in tuning it. let me know what you need MagMan, email is open. ChadS

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riverbend

12-05-2004 10:24:08




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 Re: Distributor Woes in reply to ChadS, 12-05-2004 08:39:28  
Just for curiousity's sake, I would be interested to know what went wrong.

I had my distributor apart recently, but now I'm looking at the parts book - The cam just sits there on the distributor shaft. The governor weight guard and breaker plate should keep the cam and advance from moving axially unless the screws fell out of the guard. The distributor shaft itself should be trapped between the gear and the housing.

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ChadS

12-05-2004 10:27:04




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 Re: Distributor Woes in reply to riverbend, 12-05-2004 10:24:08  
If Im understanding it,, the drive plate separated fromthe distributor shaft.... If that is so,, I cant remember if they were soldered, or has a clip that it set over the top of, that it snaps down on top of,,,,, I cant remember, Ive seen em both ways,,, ChadS



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ChadS

12-05-2004 10:39:08




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 Re: Distributor Woes in reply to ChadS, 12-05-2004 10:27:04  
Also, if the drive plate broke off the shaft,, it happened when the weights came loose, and jarred it against the housing, or if was breaking loose,, it wiggled and wobbled till it gave way. Id say it broke due to mechanical failure fromthe slack,, Ive seen this happen once a week for a month straight last summer during dyno weeks during pulling seasons. When the engine acts lazy,, this is why. ChadS

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DWV

12-04-2004 18:37:16




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 Re: Distributor Woes in reply to MagMan, 12-04-2004 17:26:28  
1/2 inch is way off.Make sure drive gear is on shaft the right direction.If it is and there is no other problem,slide gear up shaft an redrill
hole in shaft to get the right endplay.New replacement shafts have to be drilled also.With end play you have,more yhan likley the gaurd over weights and springs was hitting underside of breaker plate.If any screws protruded underside
of plate gaurd is probably bent or torn up.

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MAGMAN

12-04-2004 18:45:16




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 Re: Distributor Woes in reply to DWV, 12-04-2004 18:37:16  
AH HA. You mean some moron may have put a new shaft in it and drilled it in the wrong place. Everything is exactly the same as the cub dist except for the end play. And evrything is in its place like the exploded view shows in the shop manual. I probly am going to need a pretty hard drill bit HUH. Maybe I will just try for a used unit. JON



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old

12-04-2004 17:29:15




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 Re: Distributor Woes in reply to MagMan, 12-04-2004 17:26:28  
Will one from a B help you any if so drop me an e-mail



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MagMan

12-04-2004 18:00:51




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 Re: Distributor Woes in reply to old, 12-04-2004 17:29:15  
I beleve they are the same except for maybe the advance but I could switch that out I think. I uncovered my email let me know what your thinking. JON



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