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Paul G. in Mn

12-01-2004 13:58:50




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I have a tractor, its not a farmall but thought Id still ask here. This tractor I beleave was stuck at one point and free'd up but I think I still have stuck rings because it really smokes heavy. This is kinda a rare tractor and not much avalible for parts so I am looking for idea's on what i might use to free these rings with out going into the motor. I was thinking about getting a quart of oil and putting 1/4 in each of the spark plug wholes. I am not going to touch it till spring so thought this might work its way down. Does any one have any other ideas?

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jim ward

12-02-2004 11:34:43




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 Re: Stuck rings in reply to Paul G. in Mn, 12-01-2004 13:58:50  
Any oil will raise comp. that is before it is started liquid wrench is cheap in gallon size but so is old drain oil from your car and they probably work about the same.. Now about the valve guides they dont affect compresion just oil comsumtion My dad would never pull a tractor down for valve guides because he said oil is cheap and he was right....



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Paul G. in Mn

12-02-2004 13:10:14




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 Re: Stuck rings in reply to jim ward, 12-02-2004 11:34:43  
I dont believe this engine is wore out, it still has the origanl front tires on it and has next to no were in steering, draw bar or any other part. It does have very good compresion but have not put a guage on it. This is an 80 oliver Row crop tractor so they had pretty decent compresion. Reading what others have written I believe it might be more the valve guides because of the good compresion. I am going to just put a little oil on top for winter storage and will get it good and warm next spring when I can get it started. It needs a good tune up and does not have a starter so I will need to belt it and my belting tractor is 75 miles from here.

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Peabody

12-02-2004 06:11:00




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 Re: Stuck rings in reply to Paul G. in Mn, 12-01-2004 13:58:50  
GM makes a product called Top Engine Cleaner, available from your local GM/AC Delco dealer, about $5 for a pint can. A local mechanic highly recommends it to free up stuck rings. Pour into the cylinders and let sit for two or three days. Did an exceptional job on a blue tractor I have.



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old

12-01-2004 18:39:35




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 Re: Stuck rings in reply to Paul G. in Mn, 12-01-2004 13:58:50  
Ok Paul, this may sound dumb etc. to you but I do it all the time with engines that have low compression, been stuck or I believe has stuck rings. First off I put tranny fluid in the cylinders for a few days, next I drain the cooling system and start the engine and run it till its good and warm, not over heated. Also I put some trannt fluid in the gas that I start it on. After its good and warm I shut it down and walk away from it. When cool I start it and see if it helped if not oh well. I did that on one this summer 40-50psi compression in each cylinder. After my trick it has 90-100pso in each cylinder.

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BIG JOHN

12-01-2004 17:38:48




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 Re: Stuck rings in reply to Paul G. in Mn, 12-01-2004 13:58:50  
Just finished putting in new rings in an O-6 (M)because the old ones were stuck. The engine was stuck but it came apart fairly easy. The rings were another story. They came off in pieces with the help of a punch, chizzel, and hammer.

They had been soaking in snake oil for about 6 months.

GOOD LUCK



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JT

12-01-2004 17:08:40




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 Re: Stuck rings in reply to Paul G. in Mn, 12-01-2004 13:58:50  
Paul,
Another suggeston, I had an old engine at one time have very little compression from what I though was worn out. Was a little stiff, so I thought maybe cylinder was a little dry. to make a long story short, I put some Kroil in the prime cup and let it run down the cylinder. It sat for 4 months, went to sell it to a guy, showed him it was free and not stuck and when I turned the flywheel around, bout tore my arm off. Had a lot of compression, now. So, this is another tale of what snake oil works best. :>) I hope you get that lucky
Jim

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retired

12-01-2004 15:53:42




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 Re: Stuck rings in reply to Paul G. in Mn, 12-01-2004 13:58:50  
I have found that worn valve guides will smoke as bad as stuck rings.



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RN

12-01-2004 15:46:31




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 Re: Stuck rings in reply to Paul G. in Mn, 12-01-2004 13:58:50  
Might have to tear down if oil treatments don't work. Problem seen in more air cooled engines but also in overheated water cooled motors- piston partially melted and smear onto rings, rings stuck into groovs by melted metal. Have to clean grooves and replace rings if available, clean piston if can't replace. If for some reason ( way far away from parts) have seen rings freed by picking out bits and clean with knife blade, then set cylinder back on engines(WA harley rear cylinder and 2-stroke dirt bikes). Iron pistons less trouble than aluminum at this. Hope the oil and rislone works and engine wasn't overheated sometime. RN

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Allan in NE

12-01-2004 15:40:46




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 Re: Stuck rings in reply to Paul G. in Mn, 12-01-2004 13:58:50  
Paul,

I wouldn't get my hopes up. The tractor was probably wore out to start with and was parked. Hence the stuck engine.

Just a guess,

Allan



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Michael Soldan

12-01-2004 15:20:40




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 Re: Stuck rings in reply to Paul G. in Mn, 12-01-2004 13:58:50  
Paul, there are additives for the purpose of unsticking rings and valves, " Risolone" is one that has a good reputation, as El Toro said run the engine to hot and get the operating temperature to help, sometimes an additive and some good hard work will do a tractor a lot of good, leave the additive in for a while ( use the tractor a few times with it in )then , drain and refill with fresh oil. I have a former AC dealer friend who says to put a quart of automatic transmission fluid in the oil, it removes any moisture and will lube and help loosen sticking valves. Check with CARQUEST or NAPA for additives that free sticking valves and rings...good luck from Mike in Exeter Ontario

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El Toro

12-01-2004 15:02:07




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 Re: Stuck rings in reply to Paul G. in Mn, 12-01-2004 13:58:50  
Hi Paul, I would work that tractor engine to get it up to operating temperature to see if that helps to free up those rings. If it's a combinaton of carbon and rust I doubt if they free up. You can still squirt some oil into the cylinders and wait until spring to run it some more. You can drop me an email and I'll check
around for available parts. Hal



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