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has anyone every sand blasted a carb?

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Chad from MI

11-30-2004 04:50:31




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I have a H carb that has lots of scale on the inside and I want to sand blast the whole carb. With it comeplety tore apart do you guys thing this is a bad idea? Might not get all the sand out? what do you think?
Chad




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Aberdale Farm

12-01-2004 06:17:16




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 Re: has anyone every sand blasted a carb? in reply to Chad from MI, 11-30-2004 04:50:31  
I've bead blasted 8 carbs since I got my blasting cabinet. I'm far from an expert, but so far, I've had good luck. They have all come out looking and working like new after installing a rebuild kit. In hindsight, I could see how it would be possible to plug up some of the small idle passages. I use lots of compressed air, and a carb cleaner rinse after blasting. Maybe that's the secret, or perhaps I just got lucky?

I've blasted the exterior of brass and aluminum carburetors and magneto housings too. After blasting, they polish up like new. So far, no problems. I do turn down the air pressure to 100 lbs. on my cabinet for brass and aluminum parts.

Dale

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jonesy

11-30-2004 15:52:50




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 Re: has anyone every sand blasted a carb? in reply to Chad from MI, 11-30-2004 04:50:31  
Bead blasting the carb is the ONLY way to get it truly cleaned and rebiult. You can blast all the parts accept the float. You MUST remove ALL the plugs and then clean each passage with a drill bit and tap or a torch tip cleaner. If you were to send it to a carb shop they blast them every time. They sell cheap blast cabinets on Ebay that work great for carbs.



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JT

12-01-2004 08:48:20




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 Re: has anyone every sand blasted a carb? in reply to jonesy, 11-30-2004 15:52:50  
A good, heated, ultrasonic cleaner will clean just as good as a bead blaster, and does not get any bead media in small passages. Had an M carb that had sat for ???? years, was rusty, put in a heated ultrasonic, cleaned it up like new.



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T.B.W.

11-30-2004 15:35:36




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 Re: has anyone every sand blasted a carb? in reply to Chad from MI, 11-30-2004 04:50:31  
A friend of mine had the inside of his gas tank sand blasted. Well, for the longest time you could only run it for about 20 min. Then you had to stop and dump the sand out of the fuel bowl. I am not sure he ever got all the sand out of that tank.



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ChadS

11-30-2004 11:36:11




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 Re: has anyone every sand blasted a carb? in reply to Chad from MI, 11-30-2004 04:50:31  
Yes, But only blast it on the outsides, you can blast the bowl of the carb to clean it, but dont blast through the throat of the carb. You can lighty dust it to clean the surfaces. If you blast the throat, it will swell the casting, and throw the bore size out of whack, just enough to distort the butterfly. Im only talking about cast iron carbs, not alumnium, never ever blast one of those. What are you working with? ChadS

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Theman

11-30-2004 10:58:37




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 Re: has anyone every sand blasted a carb? in reply to Chad from MI, 11-30-2004 04:50:31  
I sandblasted the carb on my H with great results. It really gets the crud out. Bead blasting (glass) is an even safer way to do it. I used #3 grit sand which is finer than usual and it doesn"t pit the cast iron or brass pieces as much. I also put masking tape on the mating (gasket) surfaces. Don"t worry about an accelerator pump on this carb. It doesn"t have one.

The nice thing about the H carb is that the passages that meter fuel are removable and come in a good carb kit. Take out the main and idle jets and you have a clear view of any place grit or scale could give any problems. I prefer to spray carb cleaner that comes in an aerosol can through all the holes in the two halves to flush out any dust and/or grit left on them. Once it dries off, paint some rust-inhibiting primer on them or your carb will turn iron-oxide red instead of Farmall red. I have seen some H carbs at shows that have been blasted then sprayed with clear laquer. That"s certainly a unique effect.

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Andy Martin

11-30-2004 11:35:11




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 Re: has anyone every sand blasted a carb? in reply to Theman, 11-30-2004 10:58:37  
The accelerator pump is effected by the stream of air bubbles in the main fuel tube with the holes on both sides.

This air stream is introduced through the idle circuit air passages. The air bubbles through the perforated tube as the fuel is drawn into the engine.

When the throttle plate is opened, the idle circuit is shut off. Since the throttle plate has opened, manifold vacuum is admitted to the venturi and the pressure around the fuel tube falls quickly. This causes the air bubbles in the fuel tube to explode and force the gasoline in the tube into the venturi and the engine. This extra fuel compensates for the engine's need for additional fuel to accelerate. I call this an accelerator pump because that is the function it performs.

It was some pretty slick engineering in the '30's by IH engineers. No moving parts, but it is what makes an H or M respond to load changes like a hay baler stroking. Along with an excellent governer, the carburetor lets the tractor respond to every stroke of a baler.

Carburetors with the air circuit plugged are very difficult to tune. One way to check is to adjust the idle mixture screw. On a lot of tractors the mixture screw seems to have no effect. This is because the screw adjusts idle circuit air, in for rich and out for lean, and if the circuit is plugged, the screw has no or nearly no affect on the engine. There is an arc segment on the engine side of the throttle shaft which serves as the idle circuit valve. It must be installed correctly and all the air passages clean in order for the carburetor to perform as designed.

Although the IH carburetors have no mechanical accelerator pump, they do need the function and it is served by the air bleed into the main fuel stream.

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Aces

11-30-2004 10:10:00




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 Re: has anyone every sand blasted a carb? in reply to Chad from MI, 11-30-2004 04:50:31  
I did one will never do an other one.



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JT

11-30-2004 09:15:30




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 Re: has anyone every sand blasted a carb? in reply to Chad from MI, 11-30-2004 04:50:31  
The best thing I have ever found for cleaning this kind of thing is to find a good used ultrasonic cleaner. They will clean anythign you put in it and does a great job, with soap and water. You have to clena a lot of carbs to make this cost effective, but it does do a great job.



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farmallkid From ONT.

11-30-2004 07:06:58




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 Re: has anyone every sand blasted a carb? in reply to Chad from MI, 11-30-2004 04:50:31  
I wouln't recommend blasting it, just go to napa, thats where we got our carb cleaner, I think it was $70 bucks a jug, I think its called KLEEN FLO carb cleaner, Its nasty stuff, Gets all the junk off, were gloves, dad found that out.



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JohnG(TX)

11-30-2004 06:37:22




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 Re: has anyone every sand blasted a carb? in reply to Chad from MI, 11-30-2004 04:50:31  
I have tried this before. The carb looked beautiful. I still had to junk it and buy another. Be careful using muratic acid. It will attack the iron. It is great on steel though (bolts/washers/nuts). I curently use high-strength vinegar for iron stuff. It takes a little while longer, but the iron really likes it, and it is not nearly as dangerous as muratic. Throw in some japalenos and make some real Farmall nachos.....


JG

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sammy the RED

11-30-2004 06:08:19




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 Re: has anyone every sand blasted a carb? in reply to Chad from MI, 11-30-2004 04:50:31  
In a word, NO !



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Bob M

11-30-2004 05:46:00




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 Re: has anyone every sand blasted a carb? in reply to Chad from MI, 11-30-2004 04:50:31  
I wouldn't recommend it. Sandblasting will not get scale and gunk inside small drilled passages - and that's usually where the problem is. Also bits of sand caught in these passages when you are finished can cause unpredictable carb performance after reassembly.

A better approach is a long soak in a strong cleaner. I've had good luck with sodium hydroxide solution (get it at the paint store). Also chlorinated solvents like perchlorethylene are effective. Muriatic acid should work, but you need be watchful for corrosion on machined iron and brass surfaces. Also good idea to rinse the parts in a baking soda solution to neutralize any residual acid before reassembly.

Safety warning: All of the above are NASTY! Use only with good ventilation (ideally outdoors), wear eye protection and keep the stuff off your skin!

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rustyfarmall

11-30-2004 05:42:06




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 Re: has anyone every sand blasted a carb? in reply to Chad from MI, 11-30-2004 04:50:31  
A carburetor and a sandblaster should never be in the same area at the same time. You will never get all of the sand out of the carb. The ONLY way to clean a carb is to soak it in carb cleaner, and the GOOD carb cleaner is available only at an auto parts store such as N.A.P.A.



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Andy Martin

11-30-2004 05:12:32




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 Re: has anyone every sand blasted a carb? in reply to Chad from MI, 11-30-2004 04:50:31  
I don't think you could ever get the sand from the small passages.

That would affect the idle circuit and throttle response because you could lose the accelerator pump.



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SproutW

11-30-2004 05:01:34




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 Re: has anyone every sand blasted a carb? in reply to Chad from MI, 11-30-2004 04:50:31  
I've always bought a can of carb cleaner and dumped the whole carb in it after all the parts have been disassembled. I've also been known to soak the cast iron parts of the carb in muratic acid. If the carb cleaner doesn't get it stripped, no doubt the acid will. Just be very careful of the acid and keep it outside. Very strong and dangerous fumes. My two cents.



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Chad from MI

11-30-2004 10:36:49




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 Re: has anyone every sand blasted a carb? in reply to SproutW, 11-30-2004 05:01:34  
Thanks guys its a no go. I put it in the parts cleaner tank at work and it did numbers on the carb! I will let you know how the rebuild turns out



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KEV

11-30-2004 16:42:44




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 Re: has anyone every sand blasted a carb? in reply to Chad from MI, 11-30-2004 10:36:49  
Use a soda blaster



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