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Farmall M Propane tank questions

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JohnG(TX)

11-29-2004 11:12:55




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I have a parts tractor with a neat propane tank on it. I also have the ensign carb and all fittings. The problem is that the tank is rusty, and the info tag is almost rusted off. Can these tanks be restored/rebuilt, or do they just have to be junked when they reach this point? This tank is neat because it fits below the steering shaft and has the ears for the hood and gauges to mount on. It does take space away from a battery though. I don't have plans now to make a propane M, but if the tank were usable, who knows....


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James in Tx

11-29-2004 21:00:13




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 Re: Farmall M Propane tank questions in reply to JohnG(TX), 11-29-2004 11:12:55  
John If you are looking for propane M with a loader I know where there is one that's been sitting for a long time that might be able to be bought. I live 40 miles northeast of Houston, Tx

James in Splendora, Tx



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John A

11-29-2004 20:25:10




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 Re: Farmall M Propane tank questions in reply to JohnG(TX), 11-29-2004 11:12:55  
John G., When you say that the tank is rusty, I presume you are talking about surface rust only.Judgeing from the pic. No deep pits. Just wet sand the tank and paint as usual. NOW the manufactures tag!, Do NOT LOOSE that tag under any circumstances. If it becomes lost...the tank is junk, as far as getting it filled by the LP dealer. Now you can keep on filling it , but as far as Texas LP Law goes it is a condemed tank it that tag is lost. Doesn"t mean that you can"t do all you can to prevent from looseing it.
You can get rebuilt kits or new valve assemblies for those tanks if need be. Hope this helps.
Later,
John A.

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Adam Whitson

11-29-2004 12:00:07




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 Re: Farmall M Propane tank questions in reply to JohnG(TX), 11-29-2004 11:12:55  
I have 6 propane tractors. When ever i have a problem or question about the tank, I always ask my propane dealer. They are the experts, they have the training. It"s not worth the risk to make the call myself. I am usually surprised, they almost always find the valve, or guage, or whatever i need. I always have them inspect tanks for me before I put the tractor to work. Having said that, I"d say that tank will work, enjoy.

ABW

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JohnG(TX)

11-29-2004 12:02:30




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 Re: Farmall M Propane tank questions in reply to Adam Whitson, 11-29-2004 12:00:07  
Does it matter that the tag may be missing? Or, can the tag be glued back on without raising any eyebrows?


JG



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scottAR

11-29-2004 16:21:08




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 Re: Farmall M Propane tank questions in reply to JohnG(TX), 11-29-2004 12:02:30  
I would save the tag. See if the tank holds pressure for a long time. All the valves can be repaired/replaced easy enough. The only thing I wouldn't do is replace the pressure relief of an old butane tank with a new propane relief valve. The tank may not have been made to stand the increased vapor pressure of propane. Butane boils at 32 degrees F and propane boils at 0 F.



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Andy Martin

11-30-2004 05:44:59




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 Re: Farmall M Propane tank questions in reply to scottAR, 11-29-2004 16:21:08  
It is important to not increase the relief valve setting on a tank above that for which it was designed.

At 120 deg F, butane will develop about 55 psig.

Propane, however, will develop 225 psig or more.

The boiling point of most liquids is dependent on the pressure it is under. That is why pressure cookers work, raising the pressure raises the temperature the water boils at so the food is cooked at a higher temperature, and up in the mountains, with lower pressure, it can be hard to boil an egg because the water boils at a lower temperature.

Pure propane will boil at 120 deg F at 255 psig, and will boil at 0 deg F at about 24 psig.

At standard atmospheric pressure (15 psig) it will boil as low as -40 deg F.

So a propane tank will continue to produce gas down to below -30 and below.

Commercial propane is a mixture of propane, butane, ethane, and other gases but is mostly propane. After extended refilling and use, liquids like butane will tend to collect in the bottom because they don't boil as quickly as the propane does. Ethane boils more quickly and won't make a liquid above 80 psig regardless of the pressure. We replaced the level gauge on my 500 gallon propane tank a few years back and found 20 gallons or more liquid in the bottom that did not want to boil off with the tank open. I am saying all this to say when a tank gets very low the presence of material in the tank other than propane will cause the gas coming out to act differnet than propane. So if you have an old tank and it has not been drained in a long time, it may not produce propane until it is dry.

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