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SM blows muffler apart!!!

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knauffj

11-24-2004 07:25:28




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Thanks to all with the help on the steering. It now drives like it has power steering. Now I have another problem. I built up all the worn spots on my throttle linkage so I could get the throttle all the way open. Now it starts only after the starter disengages. Sometimes when I let out the clutch or try to go up a hill with a load, it starts spitting and sputtering ending with a massive backfire(that has blown the muffler apart). It also does it when trying to go into 5th gear. If it stalls, I can't get it to start again, it just lets out a massive backfire. I tried adjusting the carb and governor. Nothing has helped. The tractor had set for about a month before doing this. I have a M&W governor. Thanks in advance for any help.

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gusc

11-24-2004 11:17:34




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 Re: SM blows muffler apart!!! in reply to knauffj, 11-24-2004 07:25:28  
Backfire is caused by too lean mixtures. The fuel/air charge doesn't explode when it should in the cyl so it explodes in the exhaust.

The starting after releasing the starter can be caused by the same thing.

Also, if you have installed a key start and solenoid you have the starter hooked to the wrong terminal. Some key start switches have a terminal that bypasses the ballast resistor for starting only and if you hook up the starter to the normal run terminal it won't start until you release the starter.

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EricB

11-24-2004 09:44:10




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 Re: SM blows muffler apart!!! in reply to knauffj, 11-24-2004 07:25:28  
Yes there has be be fuel to backfire but there are other causes. The timing angle of the distributer may be off. If you have a timing light make sure you are firing at the right spot. (I think its about 6 degreees before TDC) A good ear can also be used in a pinch.
The other cause for gases to escape into the manifold is a burnt valve. Do a compression test. My thinking is the valve problem would also explain the poor perfornace under load.

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NDS

11-24-2004 08:23:50




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 Re: SM blows muffler apart!!! in reply to knauffj, 11-24-2004 07:25:28  
Could be something as simple as moisture in distribtor cap.



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captaink

11-24-2004 08:21:21




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 Re: SM blows muffler apart!!! in reply to knauffj, 11-24-2004 07:25:28  
After reading other posts, I’m going with poor ignition. Allen has a good point about if there was no fuel, there would be nothing to explode in the exhaust. The other main reason is that you say it will only start after the starter disengages (which reduces a large electrical drain on the battery and allows the voltage to increase going to the coil. The other posts refer to this sounding like what happens when you switch the ignition off and then turning it back on.

I would start with the coil, (guessing you don’t have a magneto) and check to see how the spark is right out of the coil. Should be nice and blue and jump at least a 1/2 inch to a good ground. If not, as other posts suggest change the condenser and points. If it has good spark at the coil check it at the plugs. Spark should still be blue, and jump about ½ an inch. If not, take a good look at the rotor, cap and spark plug wires.

If this is tractor has been converted to 12 Volts, I would suspect the resistor is getting bad, and would suggest replacing it. As a side note, on my conversions, I run a wire from the starter button to the coil side of the resistor so that I get a 12 Volt start 6 Volt run system. Makes those old 6 Volt coils punch a spark and start good in the cold winters up here in SD.

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Bob M

11-24-2004 07:56:14




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 Re: SM blows muffler apart!!! in reply to knauffj, 11-24-2004 07:25:28  
Sounds like weak ignition to me. If you haven't already, I'd replace points and condenser and swap in a known good coil (or replace the coil with a new one). Also if you have a voltmeter check the voltage between the switch side of the coil primary and ground with the ignition "on" and the engine stopped. You should see close to 6 volts. Less than 5 volts or so will cause problems like you are seeing.

I'd also check for a stuck or broken centrifugal advance inside the distributor. You should be able to rotate the rotor button about 15 deg or so CLOCKWISE under light finger pressure and it should spring return back easily when you let go.

Hope this helps!

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Allan in NE

11-24-2004 07:46:59




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 Re: SM blows muffler apart!!! in reply to knauffj, 11-24-2004 07:25:28  
K,

About the only thing that can cause that type of violent backfire is a momentary interruption in the ignition circuit (and it is probably on the primary side). Could be either an open or a short; both scenarios will cause that backfire.

Something, somewhere is causing your ignition to be shut off, then turned back on. When the ignition comes back in, all that raw fuel/air mixture in the exhaust system is torched off.

Don't worry 'bout the fuel. If you didn't have fuel, there would be nothing in the exhaust to explode. Get my meaning?

Allan

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rustyfarmall

11-24-2004 07:32:48




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 Re: SM blows muffler apart!!! in reply to knauffj, 11-24-2004 07:25:28  
Sounds like it is starving for fuel. Second guess is that the manifold gasket is leaking and the engine is sucking air. Third guess, weak ignition coil.



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red reaper

11-24-2004 20:21:34




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 Re: SM blows muffler apart!!! in reply to rustyfarmall, 11-24-2004 07:32:48  
I had a 656 that was doing that and someone told me I had too hot of spark plugs in it,I put the correct ones in and it stopped.It would only do it under a load.Claimed the tip got to glowing and would diesel.



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