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use teflon tape on a gas fuel line?

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Dave D

11-18-2004 10:30:26




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In replacing a carb on my 240 a couple weeks back I bound the brass male fuel-line coupling with regular plumber's teflon tape before screwing it into the brass receiver on the carb. The other day I had reason to back it out to check flow and I saw that the teflon had basically dissolved from gas. Surprised me because I thought teflon was kind of bulletproof.

Should I have used a different material or going brass into brass was I wasting my time anyway? I didn't wrap when I reinstalled coz I was worried about particles of teflon plugging up the jets, etc. Thanx.

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Pete L

11-19-2004 11:01:05




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 Re: use teflon tape on a gas fuel line? in reply to Dave D, 11-18-2004 10:30:26  
Teflon tape is actually a lubricant, not a sealant. Anyone who has dismantled a joint with teflon tape finds out that it loosens much easier than one with dope.....too easy in fact. I have a steam tractor that has a lot of pipe on it, and a lot of the pipe is "structural", with whistles, valves, and other things relying on pipe that won't unscrew. I use a teflon based dope and that works well.

Another flag on teflon tape is that if you use it, make sure to leave the first couple threads bare. Loose pieces of tape that get into your system can muck up hyduralic systems, pumps, and other small orfices.

Teflon tape - - - clean in the tool box, but not necessarily the best material to use.

My 2 cents worth..... ..

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K.B.-826

11-18-2004 19:53:50




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 Re: use teflon tape on a gas fuel line? in reply to Dave D, 11-18-2004 10:30:26  
Dave, there is no need for any type of thread sealer on the fuel line to the carb. The ends of the line are flared. The seal is made by the flared line sitting against the fitting. If it leaks, it means that the flare is cracked or the fitting is worn. Teflon tape is used with pipe thread, and it does stand up to gas and diesel fuel well, even though it does look dissolved when you take stuff back apart. There are a few places in that fuel system where pipe threads are used, but if you don't have any leaks right now, you should be fine.

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Dave D

11-19-2004 11:18:45




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 Re: use teflon tape on a gas fuel line? in reply to K.B.-826, 11-18-2004 19:53:50  
Hi K.B., not trying to beat this dead horse, but actually this is not a normal metal flared fuel line. On this old tractor it is a rubber fuel line hose (maybe 5/8") exiting the strainer bowl and terminating in a brass "barbed" fitting with male threads that screw into a brass receiver on this carb. Once the brass fitting is screwed into the carb receiver, which is a brass 90 degree elbow, the hose slides over the brass barbs and then it gets hose-clamped.

I put the teflon tape around the threads that screw into the brass receiver on the carb as I thought it would make a better joint. I did not obstruct the hole in the end of the fitting but it all dissolved anyway. When I unscrewed it about 2 weeks later the teflon was in transparent shreds, what was left of it.

Whether lubricant or sealant I had always thought teflon was inert and resistant to everything in the known world. I have a jar of teflon trailer ball hitch and I use it on all kinds of things besides teflon joint tape. Maybe I should have gone that route for this joint. But like I initially said, probably brass on brass is such a good joint that I was wasting my time wrapping it anyway!

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El Toro

11-18-2004 18:00:53




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 Re: use teflon tape on a gas fuel line? in reply to Dave D, 11-18-2004 10:30:26  
Hi Dave, Try using Gasoila soft-set thread sealant. Coat the threads lightly with this sealant. The web site is www.federalprocess.com
and this is ideal for fittings on propane or natural gas. Hal



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John M

11-18-2004 17:31:49




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 Re: use teflon tape on a gas fuel line? in reply to Dave D, 11-18-2004 10:30:26  
I dont know anything about plumbing,but I have used teflon tape on gas lines,no problems.I just dont go far enough for it to get into the flow.Ill let the others fuss over whether its a sealant or a lubricant.Alll I know is my stuff dont leak when I use it and does if I dont.



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Dave D

11-18-2004 17:53:09




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 Re: use teflon tape on a gas fuel line? in reply to John M, 11-18-2004 17:31:49  
Lot of spirited opinions on a fairly small subject! Dad was a great believer in boxes of Band Aids (for busted knuckles) teflon tape and I guess at least the tape gene passed into me. Obviously I'm not a plumber or mechanical engineer but I thought tape sealed things up and was valuable in any pipe joint. I didn't really notice any leaking from the fuel line but I thought good practice was always to wrap some tape around the threads only, not in front of the fuel hole itself. And I was very surprised when the tape dissolved away. And concerned that it might plug the carb. Or worse. That's why I asked the question.

Yes, this is probably the same threaded brass barbed fitting that somebody asked about, with that stupid ring on it that I cut off with some dykes just to get it gone. I think I got the fittings tightened well enough with nothing there to prevent any seepage.

Thanks again.

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Aces

11-18-2004 16:25:06




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 Re: use teflon tape on a gas fuel line? in reply to Dave D, 11-18-2004 10:30:26  
David If you are talking about a ferrule type of fitting which IH used on most of there gas lines it does no good to put stuf on the threads to help seal because the ferrule has to make the seal. I use this every day at work in stainless steel if the ferrule don't hold forget it.



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lee

11-18-2004 13:22:33




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 Re: use teflon tape on a gas fuel line? in reply to Dave D, 11-18-2004 10:30:26  
To say that a plumber thinks his dope is not a sealant and is just a lubricant says the guy is probably not a plumber or he hasn't read the label on this can of pipe dope or he bought a can of thread lubricant and not a thread sealant. I would recommend you use something like permatex high temp thread sealant impervious to oil and gasoline and don't use teflon tape even on plumbing jobs and let these other guys work on fixing their own leaks.

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Andy Martin

11-18-2004 15:57:00




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 Re: use teflon tape on a gas fuel line? in reply to lee, 11-18-2004 13:22:33  
I guess I'd be afraid of putting Permatex thread sealant on a brass fitting I wanted to get loose in a tight spot, in the field.

Even the old stick pipe dope does not say "sealant", it is to smoothe things out till they get tight.

Years ago I had a contractor putting 2" pipe in a pipe rack for an air distribution system. He had inexperienced hands and they were cutting threads too deep. With the threads too deep, the thread bottoms out in the fitting and won't make up. They kept trying to put pipe dope on to seal until we found out what was happening and made them unscrew 3,000 ft of pipe and cut the extra thread off so the fittings would make up right.

Tapered threads seal just fine with a little light oil as lubricant and if they don't seal something is wrong.

A Farmall fuel line is certainly low pressure, some of my in-line filters even get by without a clamp, but if a tapered thread joint is seeping it is not made up right.

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catmandoo

11-18-2004 15:09:50




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 Re: use teflon tape on a gas fuel line? in reply to lee, 11-18-2004 13:22:33  
it doesn't by chance have one of those goofy fittings like my 460 with the brass ring on the end that compresses when you tighten it and breaks off so if you do take it apart again you have to buy a new fitting.



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Andy Martin

11-18-2004 11:54:15




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 Re: use teflon tape on a gas fuel line? in reply to Dave D, 11-18-2004 10:30:26  
Teflon tape and pipe dope are not sealants, they are lubricants. I'll hear a lot of squeals, but not from plumbers.

Tapered pipe threads that leak will seldom be sealed by the application of a lubricant except that you can get them tighter. If there is very low pressure then the dope will seal for a while.

Brass is not bad to gall against itself, but aluminum is. On a diesel carburetor with the pot-metal body, I always use a little pipe dope or oil for lubricant.

It makes as much sense to put dope on flare nut threads as it does on tapered threads. If you need the lubrication, use it.

Teflon tape dissolved by gasoline and burned in the engine does no harm and the joint was still lubricated when assembled.

Hydraulic fluid and motor oil will not dissolve teflon tape so it is a problem in those services by small pieces plugging orifices.

I use a teflon paste on hydraulic lines. Looks like dope, feels like dope, never hardens.

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randy hall

11-18-2004 21:42:27




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 Re: use teflon tape on a gas fuel line? in reply to Andy Martin, 11-18-2004 11:54:15  
andy, i'm glad to see someone that actually knows what they are talking about for a change. the only thing that i will use teflon tape on is a fresh water line so the water doesn't taste like pipe dope. about ten years ago a locktite rep came into work and showed us what to use, and the best thing that teflon tape does is break pipe fittings because it balls up inside the threads.



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BRAD C

11-18-2004 11:12:30




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 Re: use teflon tape on a gas fuel line? in reply to Dave D, 11-18-2004 10:30:26  
Do NOT use teflon tape or regular pipe dope for fuel lines, or any other lines used for petroleum products. It will be "dissolved" in the way you explained. They make a type of teflon tape for petro product that is usually sold in a yellow roll container available almost anywhere. But if it were me, I wouldn't use any sealant on these brass fittings. They are soft enought to make a tight seal without any goop.

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captaink

11-18-2004 10:36:21




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 Re: use teflon tape on a gas fuel line? in reply to Dave D, 11-18-2004 10:30:26  
Brass (at least in these old tractors) is a soft enough metal that if you have good threads the joints will seal with out adding anything to the joint. If you really want to put something in there (I call it the pacifier syndrome) use a silicone that is oil and gasoline tolerant.

Just my 2 cents…



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punchie

11-18-2004 10:48:26




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 Re: use teflon tape on a gas fuel line? in reply to captaink, 11-18-2004 10:36:21  
I use teflon tape works Don't fix what ain't broken .

Work well for the most part, it is on hand most of the time. Try to keep on the treads and not near the gas flow. I wouldn't say it was dissolved it had gotten wet and then looked like it was. Put teflon near oil it looks the same way, gas is oil in a way.

Teddy



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