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2 Questions Regarding my Faramall M - Engine relat

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Johnibob

11-17-2004 09:00:14




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I was at the Co-op this weekend to price a new set of tires and the guy said with the "drop center rims" that are on these farmalls, a farmer could do the mounting himself and save some money. Has anybody done this before that could offer some tips? Also, what tools are needed, any special tools?

The next question- I have heard of people puting a 345 V-8 IH engine in an M before. I"m assuming this is done for pulling or other competition tractors. Could this be done to a farm tractor, or would many other parts need to be "beefed up" to take the extra torque? Just curious.


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LBS

11-21-2004 19:51:36




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 Re: 2 Questions Regarding my Faramall M - Engine r in reply to Johnibob, 11-17-2004 09:00:14  
I"ve mounted a couple tractor tires and found it to be easier than quite a few car tires I"ve mounted. You want to make sure the rim is smooth and you might want to lubricate it with dishsoap or something when installing the tires if necessary. I just used ordinary old tire irons that I"ve had, nothing special. One 38 inch tire went on much easier than most car tires.



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David in UT

11-17-2004 21:13:07




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 Re: 2 Questions Regarding my Faramall M - Engine r in reply to Johnibob, 11-17-2004 09:00:14  
This may sound whacky, but I've found the process of mounting tractor tires/tubes to be the same as mounting bicycle tires/tubes, just on a much bigger scale. Instead of using a little four-inch plastic tire iron, you need a 30-inch serious tire iron. The rest of the issues are similar...gotta be careful about pinching the tube with the irons and such.

I mounted my first tractor tire just last year on a C. I asked my local tire shop where they got their tools and they referred me to a retailer in town where I bought the irons and a bead breaker.

Breaking the bead is definitely the hard part! (And, the one thing that I never had to do on a bike. ;-) The tire guys sold me a sledge hammer with a blade-like end on it that you whack the tire sidewall with. I found it a tricky process -- you gotta whack the tire as close to the rim as possible with a lot of force, and dinged up my rims a few times before I found a better way:

My neighbor showed me a slide hammer designed just for this purpose. It's a big bugger...weighs probably 40 or 50 pounds, but it's really the way to go. Just put the blade end on the sidewall right by the rim, pull back the slide hammer and just let it drop. It still takes a bunch of whacks, but at least its accurate and easy.

fyi, you can find a pic and some prices on these tools from Miller Tire...link below. Click on the link for Repairs/Supplies to see the tools.

Good luck!

- David

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r4etired

11-17-2004 19:11:44




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 Re: 2 Questions Regarding my Faramall M - Engine r in reply to Johnibob, 11-17-2004 09:00:14  
regarding the 345 in the M, I put one in my M last winter.with a govenor set at 1950 rpm and the sensitvity set at 5% drop they work fine for general use. I run my other M at 1825 so the ground speeds are not that much different. The 345 develops it's max, torque at 2000 rpm. 150 hp at 3200rpm, 118hp at 1950. I do not tractor pull. just use it. The 345 is a real gas burner when you plow.



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Johnibob

11-18-2004 06:23:57




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 Re: 2 Questions Regarding my Faramall M - Engine r in reply to r4etired, 11-17-2004 19:11:44  
r4etired. Tell me more about your engine swap. Does the 345 bolt right up the the tractor without any adapters? Besides bolting up the block, what had to be done? Any special wiring? Special Clutch? Special frame or body panel modifications? Tell me what you remember. Thanks!



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rustyfarmall

11-17-2004 11:55:12




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 Re: 2 Questions Regarding my Faramall M - Engine r in reply to Johnibob, 11-17-2004 09:00:14  
There is no reason why you can't just buy the tires and mount them yourself, but you will need a pair of irons specifically for tractor tires. I can't tell you where to get them or how much they cost but they are NOT cheap. Even with the proper tools you still need some know-how. Lots of little tricks the pros have learned over the years and don't even think about anymore. Also, be sure that you don't pinch the tube when mounting the new tire because then you get to start all over again. Been there, done that, and if it saves me a buck, I'll do it again. An added note, getting the old tires off is probably the hardest part.

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Andy Martin

11-17-2004 12:02:24




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 Re: 2 Questions Regarding my Faramall M - Engine r in reply to rustyfarmall, 11-17-2004 11:55:12  
Tractor tires are easier than car tires.

Getting the old beak broken may be the hardest part. Try driving your truck up onto a board laid across the tire but not over the rim. That can pop the bead right off the rim.

You can use auto tire tools to ease the new tire on. You don't need expensive tools. Just don't cut the new bead.

Put one bead on the rim, then put the tube in and secure the stem in place.

Use lots of baby powder in the tire to help the tube slip. Put the other bead on the rim. Double check for the tube being pinched between the tire and rim. Air up the tube to seat the beads, then let all the air out to let the tube re-position itself. Otherwise you may have it folded and it will fail in the fold.

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rustyfarmall

11-17-2004 14:05:34




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 Re: 2 Questions Regarding my Faramall M - Engine r in reply to Andy Martin, 11-17-2004 12:02:24  
Andy, I beg to disagree just a bit, that job is much easier if you leave the wheel and rim on the tractor, that you are lifting only the tire, which is heavy enough all by itself.



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Andy Martin

11-17-2004 15:43:39




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 Re: 2 Questions Regarding my Faramall M - Engine r in reply to rustyfarmall, 11-17-2004 14:05:34  
There are more than one right way to do a job.

I have changed them both ways, and for me it is MUCH easier to get it broken down on the floor. Also, you don't really have to lift the tire on the floor, just one side at a time. Putting the new tire on is a snap on the floor, standing on the sidewall you only have to pry the last two or three feet.

But either way works.

Since I try to prime the tire side of the rim while I have it broken down, and want it to cure a week or more before I put a tube on it, and because I work my tractors I try to keep spares around, so I'm usually fixing a tire which is already off the tractor.

I seldom have a flat with a good tire, it is usually a junker I've been struggling to keep going so when it finally craters the rim probably needs welding as well as painting and gets a new tube and tire.

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