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Ben Rauls

11-11-2004 08:09:37




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I have a grease zirk in my fly wheel, i imagine its for greasing the pilot bearing. but my new bearing is sealed, so i dont have to worry about greasing it? Also need torque specs for flywheel and pressure plate. How do you align the clutch disk, none of my clutch alignment tools are close.




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John M

11-11-2004 15:25:48




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 Re: m pilot bearing in reply to Ben Rauls, 11-11-2004 08:09:37  
Use the drive shaft.



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John M

11-11-2004 15:29:59




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 Re: m pilot bearing in reply to John M, 11-11-2004 15:25:48  
Oh and I beleive 100 pds on the torgue



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Aces

11-11-2004 10:14:34




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 Re: m pilot bearing in reply to Ben Rauls, 11-11-2004 08:09:37  
Why not put the clutch on the shaft put tractor back together and bolt the clutch up after. Don't have to split an M for clutch job anyway.



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Ben Rauls

11-11-2004 11:51:03




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 Re: m pilot bearing in reply to Aces, 11-11-2004 10:14:34  
I know you dont have to split it, but had to resurface flywheel



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CRUSADER

11-11-2004 08:41:43




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 Re: m pilot bearing in reply to Ben Rauls, 11-11-2004 08:09:37  
If you don't have one already, I would get a service manual for your tractor. An I&T Shop Manual can be of a lot of help. It's been awhile, but have clutched a few M's and lining up the clutch on one is not to bad a job. Since you already have the stub shaft off, put the pressure plate and clutch onto it, line it up into the flywheel and pilot bearing and bolt it on. Hope this is of some help.

Jim

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Ben Rauls

11-11-2004 09:11:12




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 Re: m pilot bearing in reply to CRUSADER, 11-11-2004 08:41:43  
I have my books on order, i didnt take any shafts off, i split the tractor, to resurface the flywheel, i'm already to bolt her back to gether, just need torque specs



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Andy Martin

11-11-2004 11:44:48




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 Re: m pilot bearing in reply to Ben Rauls, 11-11-2004 09:11:12  
With the flywheel on the tractor, put the clutch disc in and then put the pressure plate on with new bolts (assuming your old bolts are holding the pressure plate compressed) then disengage the pressure plate compression bolts just enough to put some friction on the disc. Get straight behind the clutch and line it up using one eye dead center on the centerline of the crank. Use a bright light. When you have everything concentric, remove the compression bolts and tighten the pressure plate.

My experience is that this method, if you are careful, and it is not too hard, will get you closer than a lineup tool because the lineup tools have enough slop you can see it in the "lined up" clutch.

I've done this on cars, trucks, and tractors and have NEVER had to loosen a pressure plate to realign it. Since I started doing this in the '60's I hae never used a lineup tool even when it is available.

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Ben Rauls

11-11-2004 12:15:23




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 Re: m pilot bearing in reply to Andy Martin, 11-11-2004 11:44:48  
Thanks for all the info, i've give it a try when i get home thanks
Ben



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CRUSADER

11-11-2004 09:20:07




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 Re: m pilot bearing in reply to Ben Rauls, 11-11-2004 09:11:12  
Personally, I'd go ahead and take the shaft assembly out and use it to align the clutch/pressure plate to the flywheel. You can put it back on afterwards. If you have access to spare parts or know someone with them you might borrow the shaft. On the farm we have a clutch alignment tool that we bought from NAPA Auto Parts many years ago. I don't recall there being any adapters for it to fit that M. LOL, another way that I have done 'em is with a bar or shaft and "eyeballed" them to align them. Not saying it is the best way to do it, but it did work. On the larger and newer IH's we used to put them on the shaft and slide the tractor together. Then, reaching through the starter mounting hole align the bolt holes and install and tighten them up. Didn't have to worry about taking a chance on bending the plates this way.

Jim

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Old Ford Mechanic

11-11-2004 16:27:07




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 Re: m pilot bearing in reply to CRUSADER, 11-11-2004 09:20:07  
Ben,If you have a universal alignment tool just take the adapter that fits the closest and then wrap electrial tape around it.When you get enough tape on it to fit snugly you're in business.Wrap both the pilot bushing/bearing adapter and the clutch plate cone.Been doing this for years and never have failed getting one aligned using this method.Good luck.



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