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Farmall C with sickle bar

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Bob Morris

11-04-2004 06:20:52




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I've never owned a tractor but have about 40 hilly acres of hay to cut. I've an opportunity to buy a 1951 Farmall C (narrow front end) with a sickle bar for $1500. The engine was recently rebuilt and there's good tread on the tires. Does this seem like (a)a reasonable price and (b) would it be a good choice for the task?

I used to ride on my Uncle's Farmall C when I was a boy back in the 50's so there's some nostalgia welling up that may be clouding my wisdom :-)

Thanks for helping a newbie!

Bob

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farmallsc

11-04-2004 14:46:53




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 Re: Farmall C with sickle bar in reply to Bob Morris, 11-04-2004 06:20:52  
i thought hey stopped making regular C's in 1951 and the super C replaced the regular C? i could be wrong though



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CNKS

11-04-2004 18:24:50




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 Re: Farmall C with sickle bar in reply to farmallsc, 11-04-2004 14:46:53  
About 9000 C's were produced in 1951 before the Super C was introduced.



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Bob Morris

11-05-2004 07:17:18




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 Re: Farmall C with sickle bar in reply to CNKS, 11-04-2004 18:24:50  
I talked with the owner last night and it turns out it's a Super C instead of a C. The engine rebuild was done about 300 hrs. ago and he said it pulls very strong with no smoking/leaks etc. Cosmetically it's all there, but he said it looks like a 50+ year old farm tractor (color is between red and rust:-) Tires have like new tread but sidewalls are beginning to show some cracking. He's owned it for 15 yrs. and uses it mostly for a once a year cutting of a 19 acre pasture. He's changed oil once a year (after about 20 hrs. running/yr.) and says it starts right up even after sitting idle for several months. Only had to replace three batteries in the time he's owned it.

The sickle bar apparently attaches with two large clamps to the rear axle. Apparently it doesn't have much angle adjustment. The hydraulics lift it about 10" off the ground.

I'm hoping to see it this afternoon.


The only negative he was aware of was that the brakes are not quick stoppers. Are the brakes a difficult replacement/rebuild? From the photos of other C's the brakes must be inboard of the wheels?

Thanks again for all the info and help folks. I'm thinking this is going to be the beginning of another restoration project :-)

Bob

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CNKS

11-05-2004 19:19:00




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 Re: Farmall C with sickle bar in reply to Bob Morris, 11-05-2004 07:17:18  
The Super C has disk brakes, the C bands. The disks require more maintenance, otherwise they work fine. They probably need new disks and a good cleaning. They probably also need new oil seals to keep the rear end oil from leaking onto the disks. All this can be done by removing the housings, fairly easy.



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redbarron

11-04-2004 13:23:22




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 Re: Farmall C with sickle bar in reply to Bob Morris, 11-04-2004 06:20:52  
Hi Bob
If you have hilly fields, you might think about a wide front end for that 'c' be a lot safer Luck RB



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captaink

11-04-2004 08:50:39




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 Re: Farmall C with sickle bar in reply to Bob Morris, 11-04-2004 06:20:52  
The wider you have the rear wheels spread on the tractor the harder it is to tip over. You will be limited as to how far you can spread the wheels by the mower, but should be able to move the left one out considerably and then if you can keep it on the down hill side will help. I mow township road ditches that were constructed with the old elevator graders (some can be about 4 to 6 feet deep) with mine and have the wheels set about in the middle of the axles or for 38” row spacing. I go in and out at about a 45 degree angle to the slope and never have any problems, but I’m always very careful to be ready to steer back into the ditch if necessary. If you start to tip, steering down the hill will help you to stabilize the tractor.

I’m not sure about the one post about weeds being hard on a mower, I’ve got one of the first IH 1100 mowers and don’t have any problems with getting through tall sunflowers, ragweed, hay, small trees, or electric fence posts on occasion! (Oops). For hay I use under-serrated sections, sharpen them often and make sure the ledger plate area of the guard is not round. Good sicle clamps help a lot too!

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Bob Morris

11-04-2004 09:01:20




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 Re: Farmall C with sickle bar in reply to captaink, 11-04-2004 08:50:39  
Thanks so much for the info! I've printed it off so I won't lose it. I'll try to avoid the fence posts :-)

Adjusting the rear wheels-- I'm assuming means jacking up the rear axle and somehow sliding the hubs into position? Is this a "don't try this at home" operation requiring special tools, or fairly straight forward?

Thanks again,
Bob



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captaink

11-04-2004 09:23:44




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 Re: Farmall C with sickle bar in reply to Bob Morris, 11-04-2004 09:01:20  
The C has two U shaped clamps on each wheel one inside and one outside with two bolts in each one. To move them I put a jack under the drawbar on the side I want to move and jack up until the weight is off the wheel. Rotate the wheel until the clamps are on the bottom of the axle and lower until you can’t turn the wheel. Then I loosen the bolts (might take a long wrench and some PB blaster or penetrating oil) a couple of turns until the clamps are a bit loose. If you have a port-a-power you can place it between the transmission cover and the wheel and use if to push the wheel out, but don’t use too much pressure, the wheel should move fairly easily. If not loosen the clamp a bit more. If you don’t have a port-a-power, then take a long pipe or bar and pry out on the bottom between the ground and the wheel, you might need to rock it a bit to get it to move. You may also have to adjust the height of the tractor to get the right amount of weight off or on the axle to get it to move. I prefer to not loosen the clamps excessively as a safety factor but if things get ugly and the tractor is stable on the jack you can take the bolts and clamps out completely, lower the axle in the resulting space and literally tip the top of the wheel out quite a bit and then jack the tractor back up. You need to be more careful now not to knock the tractor off the jack! The bottom of the wheel will then move out. You can repeat the lowering/raising until you get the wheel where you want it and then reinstall the clamps and bolts. Obviously this lowers the safety factor and I prefer to not do unless necessary.

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CNKS

11-04-2004 18:33:20




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 Re: Farmall C with sickle bar in reply to captaink, 11-04-2004 09:23:44  
A high lift jack on the end of the axle and a chain wrapped thru the wheel works quite well. You don't have to shake anything. It is neither necessary or desireable to take the clamps out.



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Bob Morris

11-04-2004 10:37:04




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 Re: Farmall C with sickle bar in reply to captaink, 11-04-2004 09:23:44  
Thanks again for your help. You can bet I'm printing out this response of yours too :-) I'm hoping to go look at the tractor this weekend (it's only about 10 mi. from where I live). If it's in good shape it may get driven home!

Bob



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Bob Morris

11-04-2004 08:14:23




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 Re: Farmall C with sickle bar in reply to Bob Morris, 11-04-2004 06:20:52  
Thanks for the responses/encouragement! I just found this site and appreciate the quick replies.

The field was cut up to last year for hay, but the neighbor sold his horses and no longer needed it. This year it was going to be cut/bailed for mulch, but because of all the rain we had, the gentleman never was unable to get to it. Soooo, it's been growing wild for two years. It's got some hay, lots of weeds, and the occasional florabunda (sp?) rose bush in it.

Do you think the sickle bar would cut through it? Or would I risk damage?

I'm also leary of the side hill issues. It was farmed for decades before we bought it without incident as far as I know. Is there some sage advice about traversing side hills that can keep me out of trouble?

Thanks again!

Bob

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MD Wa.

11-04-2004 07:38:33




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 Re: Farmall C with sickle bar in reply to Bob Morris, 11-04-2004 06:20:52  
Bob. Just be careful about mowing on a side hill. The "C" is a fun tractor. Have fun. Morgan



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rustyfarmall

11-04-2004 07:05:15




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 Re: Farmall C with sickle bar in reply to Bob Morris, 11-04-2004 06:20:52  
Sounds like a deal to me, that tractor and mower would be just the most ideal sized outfit you will find for 40 acres. Go for it.



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Novel Idea Guy

11-04-2004 07:42:39




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 Re: Farmall C with sickle bar in reply to rustyfarmall, 11-04-2004 07:05:15  
This is REAL HAY for harvesting, right? Not brush or overgrown pasture...

Trying to mow brush or heavy weeds with a sickle bar mower is a real good way to break it. A brush hog would be the right tool for the job if you just want to keep things knocked down.



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Bob Morris

11-04-2004 08:40:42




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 Re: Farmall C with sickle bar in reply to Novel Idea Guy, 11-04-2004 07:42:39  
The field hasn't been mown for two years, so it's pretty thick and has lots of weeds now as well as a few florabunda (sp?) roses. Do you think that would harm the sickle bar?

Bob



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Andy Martin

11-04-2004 11:16:53




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 Re: Farmall C with sickle bar in reply to Bob Morris, 11-04-2004 08:40:42  
Nothing other than trees and large rocks will harm the sickle bar.

You will probably break a few sections off trying to mow isolated stems larger than 1/2" diameter, depending on the species. Little elms can be tough.

Wild rose is a problem if it is a large clump, but two years should not be too bad unless they have been a growing problem for several years.

If there is something you can't mow, go around it. You can clean it up later with a rotary mower or by hand.

But remember all the cutting parts, including the sections (triangles), section guards, ledger plates (cutting plates on the guards), backing bar the sections rivit to, pitman arm (unless you have a pitmanless like a 100 or 1100) and drive bushings are all consumable and will wear and break.

Buy parts before you start, including section rivets or bolts, learn how to change sections in the field, and don't be discouraged when something breaks. We farm because we like breaking down, especially in the heat and when rain is threatening. Experienced farmers have to go and get something welded regularly.

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Bob Morris

11-04-2004 11:39:08




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 Re: Farmall C with sickle bar in reply to Andy Martin, 11-04-2004 11:16:53  
"We farm because we like breaking down..." LOL! Well I owned a 1966 MGB, so I know a little bit about breaking down in the rain :-)

The idea of mowing around things should probably have occured to me but probably wouldn't have, sigh. I'm not sure what kind of sickle bar is attached to the tractor, but hopefully parts will be available. Having them on hand in advance again seems like wise counsel!

Thanks Andy, Bob

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Andy Martin

11-04-2004 12:50:09




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 Re: Farmall C with sickle bar in reply to Bob Morris, 11-04-2004 11:39:08  
You only own a British car if you love your mechanic.

Mower parts are available through farm supply stores.



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Andy Martin

11-04-2004 12:59:08




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 Re: Farmall C with sickle bar in reply to Andy Martin, 11-04-2004 12:50:09  
Progressive Farmer magazine a few years back had a short article on why people farm.

At the top of the list was

"I enjoy getting stuck".



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