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Robby

11-02-2004 09:33:27

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Which is a better motor. I found a 756 with the German diesel and a 766 with a 360. Are these the standard diesels for these models? Which would you take?
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Tim Malin

11-03-2004 10:33:01

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Re: 360 vs. 358 german diesel in reply to Robby, 11-02-2004 09:33:27

The germans can definately be difficult starters, especially in the winter. I do know of a guy who "missed" his 766 after he sold it and kept his 756, but he also said he loved his 756. I don't think either were bad tractors, just IH made some bad applications with the german motors, making them great in some places, and poor in others, developing mixed opinions about the "kraut power." hahaha, I love that saying.

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K.B.-826

11-02-2004 18:47:15

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Re: 360 vs. 358 german diesel in reply to Robby, 11-02-2004 09:33:27

You're comparing a 75 horsepower tractor to a 85 horsepower tractor, so naturally, the 766 will walk all over the 756. Like was said before, 756 has the 310 German, same as a 358, but with a shorter stroke. The German diesels and the American 300 series are both fine engines. The German diesels will last longer and use less fuel, while the 300 series will start easier and dosen't stink as bad. I don't totally agree with those who say that a 312 or 360 will out-lug a 310 or 358, I've got one 358 in an 826 that will give a 414 in a 966 a run for it's money.

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Tim Malin

11-03-2004 10:27:43

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Re: 360 vs. 358 german diesel in reply to K.B.-826, 11-02-2004 18:47:15

I just wanted to say that I am concerned for your 966. We have an 826 that, don't get me wrong, it is probably my favorite tractor, but our 856s will walk away from it, and I know of 966's that will almost walk away from the 856's. Can't complain about that 826 though. Uses a third the fuel of an 856.

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K.B.-826

11-03-2004 19:18:09

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Re: 360 vs. 358 german diesel in reply to Tim Malin, 11-03-2004 10:27:43

Tim, what I didn't say is that the 826 is turboed and turned up to 110. Doesn't quite pull like the 9 but it hangs right in there. I know that this seems like an unfair advantage, but the 8 uses less fuel and has almost 8500 untouched engine hours on it.

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Tim Malin

11-03-2004 22:31:39

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Re: 360 vs. 358 german diesel in reply to K.B.-826, 11-03-2004 19:18:09

Okee, that makes A LOT of sense, now. I have heard that the 358 burns fuel phenominally well when turboed. That proves it, especially when you are using 110 horses. Thanks for the clarification. Do you have a picture of your 826? I don't think you have ever sent it to me...? Take care! Soon to be the weekend!!!

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Hugh MacKay

11-02-2004 17:28:20

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Re: 360 vs. 358 german diesel in reply to Robby, 11-02-2004 09:33:27

Robby: I have never owned a 310 or 358 German, 360 or 312 US engine. I have operated the 766 and also several 886. One of the 886 had a 360 engine while others had 358 engine. The 360 has way better lugging power than the 358.

I once asked an IH dealer why they changed from 360 to 358 in the 886. He said," I have been wondering that one myself for a long long time. In my opinion it was the straw that broke the camel's back." This dealer was in dairy country, lot of 50 to 60 cow herds and farmers were buying the 886 for forage harvester duty. He had sold about 8 of these the first year equiped with 360. The reputation sold dozens more for him. Problem was the rest of them came with 358 engine. Just another IH blunder.

If you go back to that area today, you will not find a CaseIH dealer and very few 886. The barnyards of those same farmers are full of green tractors. That in itself says a lot.

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Novel Idea Guy

11-03-2004 06:33:07

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Re: 360 vs. 358 german diesel in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-02-2004 17:28:20

IH's back was already broken by that point. The change from the 360 to the 358 was almost certainly a cost-saving measure, a vain attempt to come back from the brink. Either the 358 was cheaper to procure, or IH had a huge stockpile of them laying around somewhere. They used it in the 3088 too, if I'm not mistaken.

My suspicion is that they had a whole bunch of German diesels piled up in a warehouse. Dad states it as fact, but you know how rumors become "facts" when they've been restated enough times...

Gotta put my vote in for the 360.

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Hugh MacKay

11-03-2004 17:34:53

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Re: 360 vs. 358 german diesel in reply to Novel Idea Guy, 11-03-2004 06:33:07

Novel Idea Guy: The facts on this had nothing to do with restraint. Demand for 360 engines as a truck engine was out striping what US plants could produce. If added engine production was needed, why not go with a proven performer.

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caseyc

11-02-2004 11:36:31

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Re: 360 vs. 358 german diesel in reply to Robby, 11-02-2004 09:33:27

i haven't run a 358. spent some time on a 706 w/ a 310 a loved it. i currently own a 766 w/ the 360 and like it also. i think the 766 would out pull the 706, it's heavier and seems to have a bit more snort. the 766 has 8000 hours on it with a head job sometime before i got it but the motor in original and still plenty strong. it has a very recent clutch/TA/trans and rearend overhaul.

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TP from Central PA

11-02-2004 11:16:24

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Re: 360 vs. 358 german diesel in reply to Robby, 11-02-2004 09:33:27

I know your compairing the D360 to the D358 "KRAUT POWER!"..... ....I have ran 766D's with the 360, an 826 with the D358, and a 756 with a D310. I have always liked the Germans, they run on hardly any fuel and make decent power. I honestly prefer the D310 to the D360. The 766's and this 756 I speak of are off the same farm. I much rather have the 756, especially on PTO jobs. IMO the 766 and a the 756 will preform about the same in the field even though the German is a tad smaller. I never ran the 826 beside a Melrose, but I'd imagine that the German would do just as much on probably less fuel. I though the 826 was so much more of a tractor when I first ran it that you couldn't even compare the two.

Parts are more expensive for the Germans, but I still love 'em! Like my neighbors have always said, "Yup, them Kraut could really build a serious engine!"

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Aces

11-02-2004 10:20:05

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Re: 360 vs. 358 german diesel in reply to Robby, 11-02-2004 09:33:27

Robby I would take the 360 any day ocer the 358 just because of the hard starting one can have with the 358

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CBL

11-02-2004 10:41:38

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Re: 360 vs. 358 german diesel in reply to Aces, 11-02-2004 10:20:05

The 756 would have the 310 german engine you would have to compare the 826 to get the 358 german engine.Having never run the 360 in a 766 I cant comment, however I have owned a 826 for 24 years and have excellent service and it does start better than my 706 with the 310. My 826 has 6000+hours and all I have done to it is 1 TA and replaced the head gasket.

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