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Allan in NE

10-30-2004 16:54:43




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Hmmmm,

Well spoke too soon, as is usually the case with stuff out of a junkyard.

I found a small, annoying leak at this seal. Before I go ahead and button this ol' sister up, anyone know where I can find this seal?

Thanks in advance,

Allan

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TP from Central PA

10-31-2004 06:57:32




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 Re: Aw, Heck! in reply to Allan in NE, 10-30-2004 16:54:43  
One thing to remember about Charlynn p/s motors..... .....if it ain't leaking, it ain't working! The one we had on our SM-TA would leak enough that you'd have to fill the reservoir 3 times a year. But it steered so nice I could bring myself to look into it. It seems that every other one I had apart never worked 100% right after I put it back together.

Also had one on the 400 that worked really good..... ...The one on the SM didn't leak, and never worked right either.

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p s

10-31-2004 06:09:04




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 Re: Aw, Heck! in reply to Allan in NE, 10-30-2004 16:54:43  
Put some motor stop leak in the system will stop the leak and not harm it. If you have leaky cylinders it will stop that also.



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Allan in NE

10-31-2004 06:57:13




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 Re: Aw, Heck! in reply to p s, 10-31-2004 06:09:04  
Hi PS,

Hmmmmm, do you really think that is the answer?

From my days of working on engines and automatic transmissions, I've learned that those stop-leak products work by actually deteriorating the seals, which will then make them swell (kinda like when you drop a rubber seal into carb-cleaner).

These products will certainly stop the leak in the short-term, but the "cure", in reality, is only just really shortening the total system’s overall life, because all the other components get this aggressive ‘swelling treatment’ as well.

Dunno, I’ve just have never been real comfortable with the “overhaul-in-a-can” route.

Thanks tho,

Allan

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Bob Frey

10-31-2004 05:23:06




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 Re: Aw, Heck! in reply to Allan in NE, 10-30-2004 16:54:43  
Let me know how you make out on the oil leak. I have two of them that do the same thing.

Thanks, Bob



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Allan in NE

10-31-2004 06:40:20




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 Re: Aw, Heck! in reply to Bob Frey, 10-31-2004 05:23:06  
Mornin' Bob,

After the other Bob below provided the link to the parts breakdown and repair guidelines from Eaton, I downloaded it and studied the procedure.

Looks like the darned things have to be completely gutted and those seals inserted from the inside of the housing, much like a hydraulic cylinder end-cap seal assembly. Further, opening that rascal up is going to be just like the first time I tore into an automatic transmission: total confusion and chaos. :>)

Since this is the case, I'm gonna try going back upstream against my vendor as a first step in trying to get this leak stopped.

He said he would "work with me" and that I had a 30-day warranty. We'll see.

Allan

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Bob

10-31-2004 16:22:04




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 Re: Aw, Heck! in reply to Allan in NE, 10-31-2004 06:40:20  
I think the secret is to use an engraver, or carbide scribe, and mark each part that is splined to another part, so they can be reassembled EXACTLY as they were, although you should be able to put the quad rings in without actually undoing any splines. (I think.)



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lee

10-31-2004 08:17:45




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 Re: Aw, Heck! in reply to Allan in NE, 10-31-2004 06:40:20  
Aw, it can't be that bad, it's not a swiss watch and it's only as big as your fist. Just go slow and careful and lay everything out in order. Those guys will have some salvage mechanic work it over and it won't ever be right again.



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Delbert

10-30-2004 19:10:28




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 Re: Aw, Heck! in reply to Allan in NE, 10-30-2004 16:54:43  
Allan in some of your pictures it looks like you have bolts in the coupling betwen the troque generator and the steering shaft. When these were put on new they had roll pins for that purpose reason being there wasn,t enough room between the coupler and hood it would hit on the hood. The roll pins were same wideth as the coupler and if i remmber right they put a wire through the roll pen to keep it from coming out and causing problems. I would sure check it close after you put the hood on. Some even used a smaller roll pen inside the bigger one.

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lee

10-30-2004 18:53:04




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 Re: Aw, Heck! in reply to Allan in NE, 10-30-2004 16:54:43  
I did a little research, nothing exhaustive, it looks like the torque generator has a flow requirement at all times independent of whether there is steering input. In this case it will always take some flow away from the implements. If your valve is an adjustable priority valve it will insure the torque generator gets it's required flow even if a hose blows out on the implement side.



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Bob

10-30-2004 19:39:58




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 Re: Aw, Heck! in reply to lee, 10-30-2004 18:53:04  
Lee,

Yes, the torque generators are OPEN CENTER, so there is a steady flow of oil through them, but if a hose blows, the priority valve ain't gonna help beyond a few seconds, because the system oil is gonna be all on the ground (or ALL OVER ALLEN)!



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lee

10-30-2004 20:59:26




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 Re: Aw, Heck! in reply to Bob, 10-30-2004 19:39:58  
Well ain't that the truth! Hadn't even given it a thought. Bad example I guess. Just trying to point out the priority valve is a little more than just a tee in the line. Try this, if he throws a valve to raise the loader bucket, he'll still get full flow to the steering.



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Bob

10-30-2004 17:45:27




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 Re: Aw, Heck! in reply to Allan in NE, 10-30-2004 16:54:43  
Allen,

That steering unit is an Eaton (formerly Char-Lynn) torque generator. If you Google "Eaton Torque Generator", you'll find many parts suppliers.

The seal you are able to see may be only a dust seal, and the actual hydraulic oil seal may be deeper inside.

Here is a link to the Eaton site with parts lists and downloadable repair information:

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The torque generators ar enear the bottom.

Hopefully, the information there will go back far enough to cover yours.

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BIG JOHN

10-30-2004 17:21:46




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 Re: Aw, Heck! in reply to Allan in NE, 10-30-2004 16:54:43  
A rebuild kit is available that will have all the o-rings and seals in it. Seal kits run from $18.20 to $22.89 depending which Torque Generator you have there two models. Force America now ownes Char Lynn.

While the seals look like you could replace them with O-rings they will not work. Also included in the seal kit is instructions on timing the torque generator.

GOOD LUCK



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Farmer Bob

10-30-2004 17:32:52




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 Re: Aw, Heck! in reply to BIG JOHN, 10-30-2004 17:21:46  
Last number I had for Force America was 800-362-2994. Don't know if that is still good or not. The old H looks neat with the loader and chains.
Be safe on the old girl Allan, we want to keep you around.



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RJ-AZ

10-30-2004 17:20:53




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 Re: Aw, Heck! in reply to Allan in NE, 10-30-2004 16:54:43  
You should be able to get a good parts man to match it up with the correct OD" and ID". That H sure looks all bad a## chained up like you are hoping for snow. I ran one when I was a kid. We mowed hay with it and then mounted a Farmhand F10 loader on it and stacked loose hay with it and later baled hay when we startedd baling in 1962. Sure wish we had power steering and live power on it then.



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Allan in NE

10-30-2004 17:27:13




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 Re: Aw, Heck! in reply to RJ-AZ, 10-30-2004 17:20:53  
RJ,

Me too! An H under a F-10 was as common as fenceposts out here when I was growing up. I always figured that these F-11s were just "toy" loaders. :>)

Yep, when it snows up here in the hills the ratio is 8:1. We get eight times the snow that they get down on the flat. More fun! :>)

Allan



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John A.

10-30-2004 17:09:42




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 Re: Aw, Heck! in reply to Allan in NE, 10-30-2004 16:54:43  
Allan, I know that this is obvious but, see if you can get a # off it and go to a repitable bearing co. Try not to damage it in getting it out, But if you do!, take the unit with you. Good luck, Keep us posted
Later,
John A.



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Allan in NE

10-30-2004 17:20:36




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 Re: Aw, Heck! in reply to John A., 10-30-2004 17:09:42  
Hi ya John!

Thanks, yes I was planning on doing that as a last resort; but I just thought somebody might know the number and where to just go buy the darned thing.

I realize this was really a dumb thing to do, as the final cost came in at over $1K for this switch, but wow! Do I ever like this "new" tractor now. It just made a completely different rig out of it.

It is just plain fun to run this little 'banty-beast' around now! :>)

That heavy old loader really took some muscle to steer, especially up here in these hills, but now one finger drives 'er even when the bucket is fully loaded. We’re havin' fun now!

Allan

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