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Rusty J

10-29-2004 18:16:33




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I own an 1951 Farmall Super C and on the sticker located on the sides of the hood under the word FARMALL it is written: MADE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. My friend up the road also has a Farmall Supper C (1950) but his sticker reads MADE IN THE USA. Both are reproductions could anyone tell us which is correct. Thanks, Rusty




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CNKS

10-29-2004 18:25:38




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 Re: Super C Sticker in reply to Rusty J, 10-29-2004 18:16:33  
"Made in USA International Harvester Company Chicago USA" If your friends tractor is a 1950, it is a C, not a Super C.



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Hugh Mac Kay

10-30-2004 01:54:38




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 Re: Super C Sticker in reply to CNKS, 10-29-2004 18:25:38  
CNKS Your right that is how the original decal read, but didn't it also include Illinois. It's dark here now, but I believe my Super A reads, " Made in the USA International Harvester Conpany Chicago Illinois USA ". I will read that later today and come back, I'm starting to wonder if USA is on that a second time.



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CNKS

10-30-2004 19:35:19




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 Re: Super C Sticker in reply to Hugh Mac Kay, 10-30-2004 01:54:38  
Mine have USA twice and no ILL. Decals from 3 sources, Case-IH, Maple Hunter, and one I don't know the source of. I have a 41 H with, I believe the original paint, turned to rust, small print on decals is unreadable. All the decals that I can read in Guy Fay's Letter series book are the same as mine. Or, I should say, mine are like those in Guy Fay's book. Before the question, that is one part of the decal I never paid any attention to.

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Hugh MacKay

10-31-2004 06:57:44




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 Re: Super C Sticker in reply to CNKS, 10-30-2004 19:35:19  
CNKS: Since coming to YT discussions almost 5 years ago, I have seen numerous discrepancies in discussion between Canadians and Americans. Most notable of these are plows. Pre 1960 plows bearing the same model number, had one basic difference in US and Canada. US plows had diagnol cross members between beams on frame of plow. The Canadian plows built at Hamilton ON had perpendicular cross members between beams. There were other differences on some models but the cross member was common to all plows.

My point here is, I wonder if tractors destined for market in Canada came across the border, with no decals other than serial number plate. I went to shop this morning and this is what I see; under the word FARMALL on engine hood decal of SA, "Made in the United States of America * International Harvester Company Chicago Illinois". My dad bought new a W4 1942, Cub 1950, and H in 1951. I clearly remember this decal being on at least one and maybe all of those tractors.

My 140 has a small yellow decal, just under patent listings which states, " International Harvester Company Canada Limited, Hamilton, Ontario", and under that in smaller print "Made in the U.S.A." I believe this small decal was on all tractors sold in Canada. We have always had trade agreements stating certain content must be home grown. IH only ever built a couple of tractors in Canada, and they were not big volume sellers. A lot of the implements manufactured at Hamilton were sold in the US. IH and indeed all other farm equipment manufacturers for the most part avoided tarriffs by manufacturing the dollar value in country sold. Could be decal making was a Canadian industry. I think some of these items changed over the years as there were times tractors came to Canada without tires. Very prominant during wartime but ocasionally has happened since.

Another notable item is Massey Harris, a company as Canadian as they come, you look at Nebraska test data and all tractors are Massey-Harris Co, Racine, Wis. Cockshutt on the other hand gives address as Brantford, ON, Canada, but Cockshutt used several different American built engines and an Oliver transmission. I am talking the years between 1946 and 1961 when Cockshutt built its own tractor.

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Tim in NB

10-31-2004 17:00:28




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 Re: Super C Sticker in reply to Hugh MacKay, 10-31-2004 06:57:44  
Massey only manufactured the Poney in Canada. My colt says manufactured in Racine, Wis for Massey Harris Canada.
Cockshutt built all of their tractors in Brampton. Now this oliver transmission thing, which model are you referring to Hugh?



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Hugh MacKay

10-31-2004 17:44:21




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 Re: Super C Sticker in reply to Tim in NB, 10-31-2004 17:00:28  
Tim: Actually you raise a good point. I guess the only 46 through 61 Cockshutts that really had any similarity to Olivers were the 40, 50 and 570. One tends to get a bit carried away on the long relationship between Cockshutt and Oliver.

On the subject of Massey Harris and Cockshutt, these two companies were putting the gears to IH and Deere prior to WW#2. Had they not seen the extended interuption of war production the farm landscape would look much different today. In the late 1940s they both had tractors far superior to Deere and IH. Problem was their dealer network had suffered so badly during the war, Deere and IH overtook them. Just looking at some statistics the other night. Cockshutt 40 was the first tractor tested at Nebraska with IPTO. These guys get on here raving about their Farmall M and SM. Little do they know a Cockshutt 40 will eat a Farmall M or SM, on a drawbar pull. Same between Cockshutt 30 and the farmall H. And full live power take off, almost a full decade before the rest, not some make shift M&W hand clutch. And oh, those smooth running 6 cylinder engines.

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CNKS

10-31-2004 09:27:04




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 Re: Super C Sticker in reply to Hugh MacKay, 10-31-2004 06:57:44  
I certainly have no answer about Canadian decals, and am not sure that all US ones were as I stated. I believe the differences between the McCormick Deering Farmall, IH McCormick Deering Farmall, and IH McCormick Farmall have only become evident as more companies began to sell over the internet during the 1990's. I had forgotten that one of my dad's H's was pre WWII and did not have the IH symbol on the decal, I was aware that IH dropped the Deering at some point in time. As to the small print at the bottom, I really have no idea what is correct in the US or Canada, but have to take Maple Hunter's word for it. Perhaps Guy Fay will read this and comment, but it is getting pretty far down the page.

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