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jhawkr

10-24-2004 06:03:34




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i am new to the board and vintage tractors and this question might have been talked about before, but i will ask again-does an H make a decent 3pt tractor? i would like to use my new to me H as much as possible and 3pt equip. is really easy to come across, were talking a blade, 2btm plow and maybe 6ft disc, nothing really that a ford or ferguson wouldn't handle, and probably not more than 500-600lbs.

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CNKS

10-24-2004 12:42:24




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 Re: 3pt or not in reply to jhawkr, 10-24-2004 06:03:34  
As long as it is not too heavy to lift, a Saginaw 3-point will work just fine. Hugh is correct about the draft control, but in most conditions you probably don't need it. They will work fine with a blade, bush hog, light disk, etc. The platform really doesn't matter if you don't have a lot of stuff sticking up from the implement -- Seems that Hugh got hung up on a marker on a tool bar or something -- most likely you will not run into that problem. I have a 3 point on a C and a Super H, both work fine. I will admit that the more modern tractors with the factory supplied 3-points are probably better -- but you will pay $4000-up for one of those vs $1500 +/- for an H.

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Hugh MacKay

10-24-2004 19:37:58




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 Re: 3pt or not in reply to CNKS, 10-24-2004 12:42:24  
CNKS: Your right, hung down was more like it. Farmall 560 with fast hitch and mounted corn planter which always bumped back of seat when fully raised. As I lowered the corn planter on the move, 3rd gear at 1800 rpm, lever which operated row marker hooked in my back pocket as well as back of seat, taking both seat and I down with it. I did manage to keep a grip on steering wheel and get my foot on clutch. I could not reach any of the hand controls. Not a lot of fun in that position with 560D close to full throttle. A co-worker did see this and helped with my predicament. Mounted equipment, just fine with me , once you put the operator in a safe place.

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CNKS

10-25-2004 06:54:58




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 Re: 3pt or not in reply to Hugh MacKay, 10-24-2004 19:37:58  
That would be a little scary -- without help you would have had to sit with your foot on the clutch until you ran out of fuel. Or cut your pocket off with a knife if you could find it. All sorts of weird farm accidents occur. If the first time doesn't kill you, you never make that mistake again.



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Hugh MacKay

10-24-2004 10:03:15




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 Re: 3pt or not in reply to jhawkr, 10-24-2004 06:03:34  
jhawkr: None of the old American built row crops make good 3 point hitch tractors. It wasn't until the 1960s when they moved the operator platform ahead 18" and changed configuration so operator mounted tractor in front the rear tire, that this improved. By then they all had hitches for mounted equipment anyhow. The main problem is because operator sits almost directly over the drawbar you can not lift those implements high enough for good ground clearence.

Secondly, any 3 point hitch giving you depth and draft control suitable for ground working implements will cost you in excess of $5,000. These add ons priced under $1,000. are nothing more than lifts, and can not be considered a hitch. If you price a new tractor today probably somewhere in the order of 10 to 20 percent is the value of the 3 point hitch.

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riverbend

10-24-2004 07:39:30




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 Re: 3pt or not in reply to jhawkr, 10-24-2004 06:03:34  
I have a 3 pt on my H and only use it for a four row planter and a tine weeder. It works fine. As far as a back blade, it wouldn't be any worse than using a snow bucket on the front. For plowing and disking, I hook up to the drawbar.

Greg



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Allan in NE

10-24-2004 06:59:46




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 Re: 3pt or not in reply to jhawkr, 10-24-2004 06:03:34  
Jhawk,

My neighbor has an old H, probably around a '47-'49 or so, that has a rough, kind of a home-made 3pt hitch on it and he uses it to scrape around on the driveways and such. He seems to get along okay; has fluid in the tires and a set of chains if he needs 'em.

But, that tractor is just one strange lookin' old duck. I think it is probably because it has a tricycle front end. :>)

Allan

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Nebraska Cowman

10-24-2004 06:19:22




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 Re: 3pt or not in reply to jhawkr, 10-24-2004 06:03:34  
If you are used to a ford ferguson i don't believe you would be happy with a micky mouse 3 point on an H. Might be alright for some things but for plowing you will have no draft control.



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CNKS

10-24-2004 12:51:45




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 Re: 3pt or not in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 10-24-2004 06:19:22  
I actually used an 8N in the 50's. Ferguson may have invented the 3-point, but there was certainly nothing special about it except for easy hook up. Any heavy operations such as making irrigation ditches with a blade, I had to ride one brake or the other to keep the tractor straight. Cultivating was a pain, because the cultivator was too far back. One inch movement of the steering wheel moved the cultivator 6 inches in the other direction, etc. We plowed with a semi-mounted plow on an H (no three point), it wasn't that great either. I will agree that trailer plows are probably best.

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