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SAm in NS

10-23-2004 09:19:20

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I was out looking at what I'm pretty sure is a 300 utility (if not it's a 350). It is stuck but has been tarped, the oil pan is off and things look reasonable from below. Rear tires aren't matched but are %50+, the fronts are virtually new. Tin is reasonable, most of it seems to be there, the clutch was replace a couple of years back. Has the fast hitch, a couple of obscure implements. Supposedly worked well up until it stuck after sitting. What else should I check or know about this tractor? Any idea on value (in Nova Scotia, Canada)? Thanks in advance, SAm in NS

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Marvin(MN)

10-23-2004 21:31:02

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Re: Urgent - worth of 300 utility? in reply to SAm in NS, 10-23-2004 09:19:20

The one I have has pwr. steering and the cluch pedal is of the later design, like the 350U and the later 300Us. The lever you asked about is the TA activator. I think the 300Us are as handy as a pocket on a shirt. HTH.
Marvin

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gwb

10-23-2004 20:03:09

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Re: Urgent - worth of 300 utility? in reply to SAm in NS, 10-23-2004 09:19:20

Was glad to acquire a nice, semi-restored but good working 300U for USD$3000.

It's an incredibly useful beast which in many ways is like the little later Fords like the Jubilee...WFE standard, live PTO and hydraulics. Those 'creature comforts.'

The 2-point is all ready, with adapters (copy of the factory originals) to become a 3-point because the top-link is actually already there. Or the fitting for it is. International admitted, in 55-56, that their 'Fast-Hitch' was doomed.

The 'heavy steering' bit seems to apply only with a loader. If you know about differential braking and are using it for things like bush-hogging, etc., it's fine. As to the weight in the clutch, well, it's true of everything on the machine. Big-ass springs. Get used to it. Cheaper than a gym membership.

What they have on the Fords is power. Lots of it. Gobs of silly torque, especially if the TA is in good fettle.

Oh...nice ride, too. No springs on the seat but a dandy cushion. One that could be made better with a bit of 'memory foam' over the winter.

'Purists' don't seem to care for them much because they lack the 'panache' of things like the H, etc.

But they are great workers, as far as we can tell.

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gwb

10-23-2004 19:54:38

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Re: Urgent - worth of 300 utility? in reply to SAm in NS, 10-23-2004 09:19:20

Was glad to acquire a nice, semi-restored but good working 300U for USD$3000.

It's an incredibly useful beast which in many ways is like the little later Fords like the Jubilee...WFE standard, live PTO and hydraulics. Those 'creature comforts.'

What they have on the Fords is power. Lots of it. Gobs of silly torque, especially if the TA is in good fettle.

Oh...nice ride, too. No springs on the seat but a dandy cushion. One that could be made better with a bit of 'memory foam' over the winter.

'Purists' don't seem to care for them much because they lack the 'panache' of things like the H, etc.

But they are great workers, as far as we can tell.

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TDK

10-23-2004 19:40:58

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Re: Urgent - worth of 300 utility? in reply to SAm in NS, 10-23-2004 09:19:20

Saw your pics in the "tractor photos" section. Left comments there.

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Wes in Ohio

10-23-2004 17:32:35

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Re: Urgent - worth of 300 utility? in reply to SAm in NS, 10-23-2004 09:19:20

One more thing, You can't find parts for the gosh darn thing. I've only recently bought mine, it started and ran good, good ta,fast hitch,bad tires front and rear, no power steering(that I just paid $600 for), anyway I paid 1800, I can't wait to get back together to see what she can do.

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Hugh MacKay

10-23-2004 15:08:42

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Re: Urgent - worth of 300 utility? in reply to SAm in NS, 10-23-2004 09:19:20

Sam: Don't give a cent over $300. and it doesn't matter where it is. At very best it is a parts tractor, maybe even $2,000. worth of parts. Parts however create labor, and you want to be paid for that. Then factor in unsold inventory.

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SAm in NS

10-23-2004 16:15:08

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Re: Urgent - worth of 300 utility? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 10-23-2004 15:08:42

Hi Hugh, thanks for the estimate. Please excuse me if I seem to be barking up the wrong tree but why might this tractor appear to be worth so much less than some of the other tractors from that time? It just seems that for what it appears to me to be (a potentially useful utility tractor with a number of improvements over something like the 8N) they seem to hold little value. Was it just a poor design? Thanks, SAm in NS

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Hugh MacKay

10-24-2004 03:32:19

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Re: Urgent - worth of 300 utility? in reply to SAm in NS, 10-23-2004 16:15:08

Sam: Just my opinion, but IH was truly trying to build a competitor to tractors like the 8N, Jubalee, Fergies, etc. They tried this by using a chassis too heavy for the task. The degree of angle on that setback axle put far to much weight on front axle. There is little wonder it had steering problems. Many of the loaders put on 300Us were much too heavy, making the problem even worse. The 300 turned out to be quite a gas hog as well. Good or bad hard to say, one thing it did here in Canada at least was drive the farmer to diesel on his next tractor purchase.

Hindsight is always quite valuable, but I believe had IH come out with a Utility version of both 200 and 300 in 1954, instead of trying to make the 300 same dimension in wheel base as an 8N, they would have had far greater success.

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CNKS

10-23-2004 19:50:25

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Re: Urgent - worth of 300 utility? in reply to SAm in NS, 10-23-2004 16:15:08

It wasn't a poor design, in fact it was IH's answer to the 8N (or whatever the successor to the 8N was) and the Ferguson 20 and 30. I have never driven one, but as others say the steering may have been the weak point. However, I have heard similar complaints for the H/M equipped with a loader and WFE, probably the reason aftermarket power steering was available. My suggested price didn't have much to do with the actual model, just the condition, and that you won't know what you have until you get it torn down. It is, after all, what amounts to an H utility. It can become a good tractor, if you are willing to put the money into it. I would like to have one, but would prefer it be in running condition before I buy it.

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Sloroll

10-23-2004 17:15:30

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Re: Urgent - worth of 300 utility? in reply to SAm in NS, 10-23-2004 16:15:08

It is a tough little tractor. I have beaten mine to death and back. The steering however is horribly heavy unless it is upgraded to power steering. There is a lot of weight on the front so this makes the steering harder yet. When you add a loader you "Have to" add weight on and in the rear wheels or you won't have the traction to move what ever you just picked up. If however you have the weight in the rear and power stearing it works its little butt off. The clutch gets "VERY" tireing after alot of shifting. All in all it is a heavy built machine and will take a lot of abuse.

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George Willer

10-23-2004 13:24:44

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Re: Urgent - worth of 300 utility? in reply to SAm in NS, 10-23-2004 09:19:20

I bought mine on the internet and hauled it about 600 miles from Canada. It had a loader and good T/A and like new but mis-matched tires. When I tried to use it, I wondered why I bothered... it steered so poorly. Even though it ran well I traded it for a project Cub just to get rid of it.

I certainly wouldn't bother with a free one with stuck engine.

George Willer

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SAm in NS

10-23-2004 14:36:02

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Re: Urgent - worth of 300 utility? in reply to George Willer, 10-23-2004 13:24:44

Thanks for the comments, much appreciated. The steering does have some slop but not an incredible quantity. I went down underneath her and tried to wiggle the connecting rods but they seem fairly tight. I took a few photo's and I'll have a go at posting them on here. Thanks, SAm in NS

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SAm in NS

10-23-2004 14:38:15

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Re: Urgent - worth of 300 utility? in reply to SAm in NS, 10-23-2004 14:36:02

Oh well, I don't think the pic came out in my post but there are two of the engine under "Stuck & Troubled" and there's a couple of the tractor in the "Tractor Pics". Thanks, SAm in NS

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Robert E. Smith

10-23-2004 13:18:56

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Re: Urgent - worth of 300 utility? in reply to SAm in NS, 10-23-2004 09:19:20

Man!
Where are you guys located?
Around here you can't buy anything even stuck for less than $500 to $1000 dollors! I'm talking real junk!
I'd like to move to where you guy's are from! I'd think I'd died and gone to heaven!
Around here people see gold in them there tractors! and the prices pretty much reflect it!
Man I remember 30 years ago you could buy a really nice looking and running "M" for less than $500 Boy if I only knew back then what I know now!
Bob from Ohio

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CNKS

10-23-2004 12:34:31

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Re: Urgent - worth of 300 utility? in reply to SAm in NS, 10-23-2004 09:19:20

I have never purchased a stuck tractor -- for a 300U that I thought I could fix, I wouldn't go over $500, even though I would have a versatile tractor when I was done, more so than it's ancestor, the H, which I might pay $250 for. If it does not run, you just don't know what you are going to find.

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Sloroll

10-23-2004 12:02:36

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Re: Urgent - worth of 300 utility? in reply to SAm in NS, 10-23-2004 09:19:20

I have been offered $3,500 for mine. Good all around, always shedded. That being said I do not trust it in tight places as the clutch on those tractors are a bear to use all day. You push down rather than forward. If you haul sunshine for a day your leg gets very weak. and I have hit the side of the barn and the spreader (put a tine through a tire) when my leg finanly give out. I drove it into the pond once. For row crop work or something less clutch intensive it may be just great. I am keeping mine only out of sentiment. I did a lot of work with the old girl it was my fathers first tractor.

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Sloroll

10-23-2004 14:04:23

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Re: Urgent - worth of 300 utility? in reply to Sloroll, 10-23-2004 12:02:36

Live hyd and power steering! Power steering is a must!

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Loren

10-23-2004 10:43:57

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Re: Urgent - worth of 300 utility? in reply to SAm in NS, 10-23-2004 09:19:20

Well, Stuck engine means no checking of the transmission, rearend and more importantly, the TA if it has one. Does it have power steering? I paid $500 for my 300, running but leaks(rear main seal and trans seals) with the TA pretty much gone. Mine has PS, fasthitch, 75% on the rears that are chipped pretty good, fronts are auto tires, and has a homebuilt front hydraulic blade that needs a bit of repair.

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old

10-23-2004 10:43:14

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Re: Urgent - worth of 300 utility? in reply to SAm in NS, 10-23-2004 09:19:20

Sounds like something I might pay $150-300 us for, with it stuck and the pan off there is probably other problems.

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