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Farmall B rescue mission is on!

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Jeffer

10-21-2004 05:32:15




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Well here we go, come the first weekend in Nov. my step son and I will drive out to Indiana to pick up that little model B (good Lord willing and the creek don't rise). Looks like it will stay in the family after all. Anybody know the length of the B? I know it is about 1800 lbs. I can borrow a 16' x 6 1/2' trailer with brakes all around, I got the chains and binders etc...There is a bushhog out there too that I can get with it. I'v never had a tractor without a 3 point so I don't know if my 6' rotary mower that I use with my ford will work with the Farmall B. My thanks to all of you for your support these past few days, that is actually what has spured me on to find a way to rescue the family Farmall.

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Larry in CO

10-21-2004 19:11:35




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 Re: Farmall B rescue mission is on! in reply to Jeffer, 10-21-2004 05:32:15  
Jeffer,

I don"t know how wide a B is, but I have a trailer that is 16" long and 6 foot 10 inches between the fenders. If you want to go with the relay that was talked about on page 2, I could probably get the tractor from North Platte or Lexington, Nebraska to your home some of these weekends. Reply on this forum if that would be feasable for you. Larry



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Jeffer

10-21-2004 19:29:00




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 Response to Larry in CO in reply to Larry in CO, 10-21-2004 19:11:35  
Hi Larry, thanks for the post. Your offer is generous and I'm so greatful for all the responses that I'v had that it is overwhelming to me. I am going to be using my boss's H&H 16' x 6'9" trailer, its got brakes and is fairly new and unabused. I remeasured and it is in fact 6'-9" between the wells with no railing. I hope that does it. One question that poped into my mind is: where would you recomend running the chains at the front and rear of the tractor? This B has the two narrow front tires. I figure mabey through the wheels. What do you think? By the way, I live in east Arapahoe county near Bennett and Strasburg CO. Thanks again and I'll post some photos of the B when its all over.

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scotc

10-27-2004 22:00:07




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 Re: Response to Larry in CO in reply to Jeffer, 10-21-2004 19:29:00  
chain to the drawbar in back, mounting pads for the cultivators is a good place in the front. Also I bind equipment front and back more than straight down, lets it move a little without breaking chains, but on a B that's not much of a concern. Just a tip on legality, I don't know how up to date everyone is on this but each corner has to have its own chain, with a binder,(one chain with slack between the corners is ok) to be legal. YEah, even for a whopping 1800 pounds. Going from indiana to colorado, might be something to keep in mind.

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Jim Becker

10-22-2004 18:29:03




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 Re: Response to Larry in CO in reply to Jeffer, 10-21-2004 19:29:00  
I prefer to not attach to the lower bolster (between the front wheels), or the front wheels themselves on a B. I would not want to pull the front end off, and that is one of the structural weak points of that model. It would be better if you could bracket up to the implement mounting pads on the sides of the steering gear housing.



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captaink

10-22-2004 20:03:38




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 Re: Response to Larry in CO in reply to Jim Becker, 10-22-2004 18:29:03  
Excellent idea, wish I had said that! :>(



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captaink

10-22-2004 06:16:02




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 Re: Response to Larry in CO in reply to Jeffer, 10-21-2004 19:29:00  
If possible I would try to get the chains between the rim and the inside hub of the wheel on all four wheels. That way only the rim and the tire are between the trailer and the chains. If the chains won’t fit in there, I would use the drawbar on the rear. On the front I would put the chain around the front post just above the axel and then out the front on both sides of the post to the edge of the trailer. If you can get enough chains and binders, you can add (you still need the one on the front end) another chain from the drawbar piece that is bolted to the front of the rear drive housings and run it forward in that V shape to the edges of the trailer. This might seem like a bit of over-kill for a B but I consider it cheap insurance against calamity.

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Jeffer

10-22-2004 11:25:31




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 Re: Response to Larry in CO in reply to captaink, 10-22-2004 06:16:02  
Will do! Thanks for the help.



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El Toro

10-21-2004 18:14:28




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 Re: Farmall B rescue mission is on! in reply to Jeffer, 10-21-2004 05:32:15  
Hi Jeffer, I think you've received enough information from all of these guys without having me to make any comments. One thing I think you should be considering is the weather. Heavy snow has already started to fall in CA 4-ft in some areas. I would make that trip ASAP so you beat the weather.

I used a 1/2 ton pickup to haul a Farmall A. The least that I would use is a 3/4
ton with heavy suspension and good tires to haul that B a long distance. Good Luck, Hal
PS: My late dad was from Waveland, IN. It was near the IL border.

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Paul Shuler

10-21-2004 15:58:26




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 Re: Farmall B rescue mission is on! in reply to Jeffer, 10-21-2004 05:32:15  
Hey Jeffer, one thing to think about is the width of the little B. I have one and had to turn the wheels inside out and the hubs inside out to get it on my 6'5" inch 16' trailor and the rears wheels still run up on the rails. They are wide little tractors. If you could borrow a wider trailor it might be a lot less work. I think mine was something like 8'8'' from tire to tire before I turned the wheels around.

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farmerjohn

10-21-2004 15:36:37




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 Re: Farmall B rescue mission is on! in reply to Jeffer, 10-21-2004 05:32:15  
Good decision to go for it, once an heirloom is gone it is GONE! Let us know how it all turns out.



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captaink

10-21-2004 12:05:03




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 Re: Farmall B rescue mission is on! in reply to Jeffer, 10-21-2004 05:32:15  
I’m also very pleased to learn that you have decided to get that B and doubt you will ever regret this decision. If you have hauled much on a trailer before, the following will only serve as a reminder of what you already know, if not some friendly advice. I’ve hauled a fair amount of stuff on trailers in my life. I’m assuming that the trailer you will be using is a bumper pull, not a “gooseneck” or “fifth wheel” that attaches to the tow vehicle in the box. Most of it I think is “common sense” but…

You need a full size pickup, ½ ton at the very least, ¾ ton is better. Preferably, you should have a receiver type of hitch mounted to the frame of the vehicle, not just a ball stuffed in the hole on the bumper. Unless it is a very strong bumper and attached very well, you are moving too much weight too long a distance for that. When you load, that B can sit at a diagonal if necessary on the trailer allowing for the rear wheels to be wider than the trailer and still fit on top, however if it has raised sides on it you will need to devise a way to deal with them. Make sure the trailer brakes work, but don’t depend on them.

Two other very important things you should keep in mind; tongue weight and tire pressures. Try to get the load almost balanced on the trailer, but slightly to the front. I have found that with a couple hundred pounds of the weight on the hitch for a ½ ton works pretty good, more on a ¾ ton. Too much weight on the hitch (lower than normal rear end height on the pickup) lightens up the front end of the tow vehicle and can lead to less braking ability and handling instability on wet, or (Lord forbid) snowy/icy roads. At the same time, you need to have enough weight on the hitch (if you can lift the front of the hitch, you are too light) or you may not have enough traction to safely pull the trailer on wet or slippery roads. Look at the whole picture after you’re done loading; both trailer and pickup not sagging or lifting up either end is what you are trying for.

Make sure that the tires on the trailer and pickup are up to their rated pressure. Low tires pull hard and over-heat, which causes failures and potential blow-outs. Blowing out a tire on a loaded trailer is no fun, and then you have to deal with changing it. As far as tires, almost all tires on trailers are rated heavy enough so that if you have two axles, you should be able to have at least 6000# of trailer and cargo on them, which should be enough for what you are hauling.

Anchor the chains to the side of the trailer in such a way as to prevent movement of the load rearward and forward and if possible side to side. I like a diagonal line from the side of the trailer behind or in front of the load to the load and then diagonally to the opposite side of the trailer straight across from the first side to form a V. On the load, choose a location to place the chain so that it won’t damage anything (such as thin wheel casings) when you hit that big, bad, nasty bump in the road. Don’t be afraid to use a “cheater” on the chain binders, I’ve never yet seen a chain get tighter on a load while driving. Check the chains after two (2) miles, again after every ten (10) miles until they quit loosening. After that check them every time you stop. I like to position the binders where I can see them in a mirror, that way I can keep an eye on them.

Don’t let anything I’ve said scare you or tempt you to chicken out; just some things to be aware of not scared of. My intent is to make your haul home a pleasant and uneventful one!

Good Luck, and God Bless!!!

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Andrew Betzner

10-21-2004 10:18:39




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 Re: Farmall B rescue mission is on! in reply to Jeffer, 10-21-2004 05:32:15  
Thats great to hear, it would have been a shame to loose something like that just for $800



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Jim Becker

10-21-2004 09:43:18




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 Re: Farmall B rescue mission is on! in reply to Jeffer, 10-21-2004 05:32:15  
You are about right on the bare weight of the tractor. Keep in mind that a set of rear weights is good for about 300 pounds more. If the tires are loaded, it might add another 400 to 500, depending on mix and tire size. Several hundred more for the mower, again depending on what the mower itself is like. You could easily be in the 3,000 pound range total. I hope you have a full size truck.

Width of the tractor is probably the biggest problem. I have a car hauler (no sides) that is 6' 4" between the fenders, which are nearly 9" above the deck. A B with 9" tires set in as far as possible (wheels and disks both turned in, wheels inside the disks) will just fit between the fenders. Larger tires can not even be set this narrow because of clearance problems. So a B with 10" tires will need another 1" for the tires plus 4" for track setting (total 6' 9" minimum). I have hauled my B with 12.4" tires by pulling it on forward until the rear wheels reach the fenders. I only do that for the nearest local show (low speed trip) and question the sanity of even doing that.

I did a long distnce haul of that tractor once. I loaded it over the front corner of the trailer so the rear wheels ended up as close as possible to the front side of the fenders. I used an equalizing hitch and it handled fine. Interestingly enough, I lost 3 truck tires within about 300 miles on that trip. The tires were about 5 years old with about 28K miles on them. That was most likely the heaviest load the tires had ever hauled, but probably not excessive. One tire man that inspected them beleived they had either been over cured or under cured in the first place. The tires had all been from the same batch. By the way, the first tire I lost was a front, which propably wasn't carrying that much more weight than it did with the empty trailer.

So, plan on the worst case for weight, be ready to deal with the width question and be ready for surprises.

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old

10-21-2004 08:38:03




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 Re: Farmall B rescue mission is on! in reply to Jeffer, 10-21-2004 05:32:15  
I hauled in a B last week and it will fit on that trailor only if your willing to put the tires up on the side rails. We removed the tire and rolled it up on wood blocks till it was up between the the front and rear axle of the trailor. And then it was almost to wide that way. That was with the front of the tractor going to the front of the trailor by the way.



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Red Dave

10-21-2004 07:00:46




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 Re: Farmall B rescue mission is on! in reply to Jeffer, 10-21-2004 05:32:15  
16 feet is plenty lomg enough, but 6 1/2' wide may be a problem. My B is about 78 inches wide, outside rear tire to outside rear tire. About 7 or 8 inches wider at the hubs, but if your trailer sides are not higher than about 14 inches or so, hub width won't matter. This is with 9.5 X 24 tires. Depending on how the wheels are set, it could be wider. Wheel weights will add to the width too, if you have a high side trailer.
It may be a good idea to take along a jack and some tools in case you need to move the wheels to make it narrower to get it on your trailer.

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shaggy

10-21-2004 06:58:59




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 Re: Farmall B rescue mission is on! in reply to Jeffer, 10-21-2004 05:32:15  
You may have a problem with the 6ft wide trailer. I just measured my B and it 9ft 2in long and 6ft 5in wide. Thats with 9.5x24 rear tires set in close. I would bring a hand full of tools and narrow up the left side and pull it on the trailer. Don"t forget the PB blaster and a come along!
Good luck and have fun!!
Shaggy



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JT

10-21-2004 06:50:08




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 Re: Farmall B rescue mission is on! in reply to Jeffer, 10-21-2004 05:32:15  
Jeffer, I know you said things are tight, look at page 2, there a re a bunch of us can move the tractor a few miles at a time, if that will help you, let us all know, There is a fella in Indiana that can get it to Illinois, I an get it most or all of the way through Illinois, and a couppld more said they can get it through Iowa, Nebraska. Let us know if you need a little help on this project.
Jim

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Paul Shuler

10-21-2004 17:31:45




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 Re: Farmall B rescue mission is on! in reply to JT , 10-21-2004 06:50:08  
JT, I was thinking the B had the c-113 motor same as the C. Around 18 to 20 hp? But I have been wrong before.



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JT

10-21-2004 06:38:36




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 Re: Farmall B rescue mission is on! in reply to Jeffer, 10-21-2004 05:32:15  
Jeffer,
You should have no problem. The B is wide enough and tall enough if you have a pull behind mower, you can kinda put part it under the rear axle, and being it is a narrow front tractor, you can also put mower in front, then put tractor a little crooked to get it there. You sound as though you should have everything to get it back home where it belongs. No, your mower off your Ford will not work on the B. main reason, a B is only a 13-hp? tractor and a 72" mower is not an option to be able to pull it. If you need anything coming through Illinois, Email me and I will give ya my cell number. By the way, good decision, you will never regret it.
Jim

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earlschieb

10-21-2004 05:59:34




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 Re: Farmall B rescue mission is on! in reply to Jeffer, 10-21-2004 05:32:15  
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Glad to hear it! Where in Indiana is your B located, city wise? I do not know the width of a B, but an H will fit on a normal car hauling trailer, here is a picture of the H that I bought last night, on my new H&H 18 foot trailer. You should be able to get the B, and the bush hog on your 16 foot, it may take some doing since I figure that your bush hog is most likely a pull type, and not a 3 point.

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Matt Page

10-21-2004 07:38:21




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 three shifters. in reply to earlschieb, 10-21-2004 05:59:34  
O.k., maybe its a dumb question, but my curiosity forces me to find out what those other two shifters are for. I guess I'm sheltered, but I've never seen more than one on a H.??? matt.



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farmallkid From ONT.

10-21-2004 12:17:54




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 Re: three shifters. in reply to Matt Page, 10-21-2004 07:38:21  
The one on the left is the M&W live clutch, if it was a nine speed, there would be a shifter inbetween the clutch and gear shifter, my friend has one, the middle one is the gears and the thing on the right is some rigged up thing to turn on the pto with out reaching behind the seat all the time.



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Jeff In Ontario

10-21-2004 08:02:49




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 Re: three shifters. in reply to Matt Page, 10-21-2004 07:38:21  
I think Matt that the left lever is a M&W clutch (9 speed) and the right lever is for the 3 point hitch to raise & lower it.

Jeff



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earlschieb

10-21-2004 08:48:33




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 Re: three shifters. in reply to Jeff In Ontario, 10-21-2004 08:02:49  
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Here is a better picture of the tractor, one lever is the normal shifter, one lever is for the M&W Live Power hand clutch, and the last lever is a p.t.o. add on shifter, maunfactured by some company? If you have any questions, my email is now un blocked.

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