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davidw

10-20-2004 23:11:55




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I have been curious for sometime now as to what advantage a 3point hitch has over the old fast hitch (2 point) set-up. I'm a novice tractor owner, having only driven my farmall with its 2 point hitch. It just seems so convenient to back up and connect to my plow, disc, etc... without getting off the tractor. What are the advantages of the 3 point hitch apart from the fact that all modern implements are made for them?

Thanks for the input

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the tractor vet

10-21-2004 15:43:59




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 Re: fast hitch ponderings in reply to davidw, 10-20-2004 23:11:55  
Well the only thing that i can say about three point is that it helps to raise your heart rate and increse your blood pressure and bring out all them four letter words while you are tryen to get whatever hooked up.As for me now i am lazy and just like to back up click and go , now if i could just figure out a way for the stand to come up buy it"s self and the hdy. hose to couple it"s self i would not even have to get my hands dirty.

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Pat H

10-21-2004 08:19:13




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 Re: fast hitch ponderings in reply to davidw, 10-20-2004 23:11:55  
Another problem I have with the 806 fast hitch is the loss of ground clearance, very easy to get stuck with the 2 pt. Pat in Wisc



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Aces

10-21-2004 05:01:55




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 Re: fast hitch ponderings in reply to davidw, 10-20-2004 23:11:55  
Davidw teh disadvantage of the 2 point hitch is IH would not sell it so everyone went 3 point. I am like you the 2 point much better to back into. Never did like the 3 point.



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Allan in NE

10-21-2004 04:38:06




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 Re: fast hitch ponderings in reply to davidw, 10-20-2004 23:11:55  
Mornin' David,

I'm no engineer, but I would guess that from their viewpoint, the 2-point hitch had gone just about as far as it could go in terms of stability and capacity.

Not at the tractor, of the implement.

If you look at some of the 'bigger' stuff of the day, like the four row cultivators or the bigger plows, you can readily see why the 2-point had just about come to the end of its run.

It was starting to take quite a bit of ironwork in the hitching arrangement of the these implements just to keep the thing 'lifting' on a somewhat parallel axis to the tractor.

It just made more sense to add a center link at the tractor than piling on more and more iron into that implement hitch to make it strong enough to withstand the load forces.

My take anyway,

Allan

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Joe Evans

10-21-2004 11:34:19




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 Re: fast hitch ponderings in reply to Allan in NE, 10-21-2004 04:38:06  
You hit it with your points on the needed mass to withstand pulling forces.

The fasth hitch is too danged complex, too. My brother recently repainted his 400 and had all the fast hitch pieces strung all over the place while cleaning and painting them. There were arms, frames, brackets, rods, clips, cylinders, hoses, pivot joints (and probably a dead cat if you looked hard enough), bell cranks and what not--enough to make your head spin. Probably 500# worth of stuff. Looking at all that damnation and thinking about how Ferguson accomplished the same thing with 50# worth of stuff only makes me ask.... WHY?

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Allan in NE

10-21-2004 12:10:56




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 Re: fast hitch ponderings in reply to Joe Evans, 10-21-2004 11:34:19  
Hi Joe,

LOL!!!

Yep, hear ya there. I hated it when we had to switch over to the 3-point rigs..... ....for about 20 minutes.

Didn't take long to figure out that the old 2-pointer was lacking big time and we just never looked back or gave the 2-point another thought.

Even using those little adaptors was a major PITA! :>)

Thanks for the hollar,

Allan



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Hugh MacKay

10-20-2004 23:51:51




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 Re: fast hitch ponderings in reply to davidw, 10-20-2004 23:11:55  
David: About the only thing I ever saw wrong with 2 point fast hitch was using as a drawbar, particularly on big tractors the wear was bad. You just couldn't keep them tight.

Why they didn't stay around, IH wouldn't make any deals on selling rights to other companies, and farmers reacted by wanting equipment with a standard hitch. Truth is Harry Ferguson had won the hitch war before IH sold it's first fast hitch.

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dhermesc

10-21-2004 06:03:32




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 Re: fast hitch ponderings in reply to Hugh MacKay, 10-20-2004 23:51:51  
"IH wouldn't make any deals on selling rights to other companies, and farmers reacted by wanting equipment with a standard hitch"

By far the best answer. Draw bar issue was taken care by the addition of the fixed hitch. The snap coupler was another fairly good idea that faded away as three point became the standard.



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Bill in NC

10-21-2004 08:13:08




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 Re: fast hitch ponderings in reply to dhermesc, 10-21-2004 06:03:32  
However, from a small tractor usage perspective, having a single-point fast-hitch on a Farmall Cub or 140 is the ticket for plowing, then disking and then cultivating 1 - 5 acres. Sure beats crawling under the tractor and re-doing the drawbar (early Cubs and A sized tractors) and its also quicker (and safer) than backing-up, aligning and all the other work needed to get a three-point implement hitched. It's great un-hitching an implement and then hitching up to another implement without leaving the tractor seat (using a hook to lift the fast-hitch notch lock).

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Hugh MacKay

10-21-2004 15:09:15




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 Re: fast hitch ponderings in reply to Bill in NC, 10-21-2004 08:13:08  
Bill: No question, fast hitch was the cats meow for the small tractors Cub, 100 series and even the SC, 200 and 230. I believe that one point set up on 100, 130 and 140 can not be matched even in 2004 for tillage tools like plow, disk and cultivator equipment on a small tractor. Superb dept control on a plow and you can hydraulically change that depth to precise settings on the go.

Where the problem came was big tractors pulling heavy pull type equipment. I had a 560D, and pulled items like 4 bottom trailer plow, 10 ft disk, 13 foot vibra shank cultivator and forage harvester or baler with wagon. In about three years that hitch was almost like pulling those implements with a 4 foot chain. Not really the ideal situation with pto equipment. Interesting part is once the hitch was rebuilt, it only seemed to last about 1 year and would need rebuilding again.

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