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Lynn

10-20-2004 09:47:09




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I have an M, engine overhauled and ready to go. I put a 3 point hitch on. Planned to mow with a bush hog. I tried to put the mower on, but shaft from the PTO goes into the hydralic pump. The mower needs a shaft to go into it to run it. I bought an 10" extension. When I tried to use it, it wouldn't stay together. It would kick the mower off. Eventually grinding up the extension shaft. What is needed so I can use my tractor with mower.

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Ron in Nebr

10-20-2004 20:18:41




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 Re: M PTO in reply to Lynn, 10-20-2004 09:47:09  
If none of the other ideas given will work for you, we used to have a Super H that we raked hay with that had an external hydraulic pump that was chain driven off the belt pulley drive assembly(belt pully removed and replaced with a roller chain sprocket). Maybe you could move your pump there if you have a belt pully drive on your tractor.



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Novel Idea Guy

10-20-2004 12:51:44




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 Re: M PTO in reply to Lynn, 10-20-2004 09:47:09  
Good thing it was "kicking the mower off," or you'd eventually destroy the pump. It's only designed to run itself, not a mower too, especially a bush hog. The PTO itself is not meant to be used that way either.

You can run one or the other, not both. So you either have hydraulics for your 3pt, or you drive the bush hog.

Finding a live pump will be expensive, and more than likely difficult. Does your tractor have the belly pump?

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Ed1

10-20-2004 12:23:10




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 Re: M PTO in reply to Lynn, 10-20-2004 09:47:09  
First why do you need a PTO pump?

If you can I'd convert to live hyd and leave the PTO for the mower. PTO hyd on an M dosen't make much sense because the PTO is trans driven. Unless you need the volume some PTO pumps put out.



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Nebraska Cowman

10-20-2004 10:17:16




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 Re: M PTO in reply to Lynn, 10-20-2004 09:47:09  
Why don't you use the original Lift-all pump that came with the tractor? Or don't yours have one?



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dej(JED)

10-20-2004 10:15:45




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 Re: M PTO in reply to Lynn, 10-20-2004 09:47:09  
So you are getting your hydraulics from a PTO driven pump. Farmall M's should have either a belly pump or a live hyd. pump and neither one of those interfers with the PTO. I have a 3 pt on my M and it is run from the bellypump. You need to eliminate the PTO pump.



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Allan in NE

10-20-2004 10:20:33




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 Re: M PTO in reply to dej(JED), 10-20-2004 10:15:45  
Jed,

Nawwwww ww..... .

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Andy Martin

10-20-2004 10:51:13




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 Re: M PTO in reply to Allan in NE, 10-20-2004 10:20:33  
The moral of this story,

Size does matter



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Harley

10-20-2004 20:12:45




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 Re: M PTO in reply to Andy Martin, 10-20-2004 10:51:13  
Yeh Andy, but have you seen that Farmhand loader of Allan's? It goes so high in the air that the FAA requires him to have red lights blinking on the bucket so if he uses it at night airplanes don't hit it.



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Allan in NE

10-21-2004 05:07:24




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 Re: M PTO in reply to Harley, 10-20-2004 20:12:45  
Hi Allen,

Wish I still had that old F-10 'cause I always considered this F-11 as a "little" loader. :>)

The Farmhand F-10 will lift something on the order of 27', a third again higher than a F-11, and when it is clear up, the rear of the bucket or sweep head is just about straight up and back over the steering wheel.

We used to lift a sweep load of hay straight up over the tractor and this would place the forward ends of the sweep teeth just slightly forward of the front tires.

We would then 'nose' the tractor right into the stack and use the hydraulic push-off on the sweep head to push the hay over onto the stack. Some of those stacks were about twice the size of a normal house. :>)

Allan

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