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John Hellmann

10-14-2004 21:09:54




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Hi gang,

Had a great fall with my Farmall 100 and LoBoy. Feedplot is planted and the turkeys and deer are going nuts. There is NOTHING more relaxing than a ride on a humming IH!!!

But that's not the only reason why I"m hitting the forum.

Some time ago I told you all the toughest thing I ever did was to send my oldest son off to Iraq. It was, and it was a tough year, for me, his Mom, grandparents, and his brothers. And believe me, him too, most of all.

Well he returned in September, a bit worn around the edges, but in pretty good shape, and once he decided to chat, was full of tales. I"m proud as all get out of this kid, and his fellow servicemen and women. It"s good to have him home, even if only for a little while longer. Your wishes and prayers were very sustaining, and frankly FANTASTICALLY great; THANKS!!

I made a decision early on that I wouldn"t make up my mind on the upcoming election until I heard what he had to say. Boots on the ground thing, you all can appreciate that. Well in a nutshell, I remain confused a bit after hearing it and want to know what others of my ilk have to say. He was in Fallujah with 1st Marines, and here"s what I"ve heard from him and his chums: The insurgents aren"t Iraqi, they"re Egyptian, Syrian, Saudis, Iranians and Chechnyan. The weapons are coming across the border from Iran, They were hit with mustard in August (no WMD"s?) They ate from our care packages in April, because highway 10 convoys took a lickin"; nevertheless, he says Halliburton Brown and Root did an admirable job bringing the supplies. The buried weapon caches the Marines unearthed will boggle your mind. The boys feel strongly they are making a difference in the war on terror. They remain committed, motivated, and ready to go for the next deployment.

Gang, why aren"t we hearing this message from the press? From our leaders? What"s up?

I know this isn"t tractor stuff. Sorry to anyone I offend, but this is important to think about. Let me know your thoughts.

John


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Scott(MO)

10-15-2004 20:20:57




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 Re: Toughest thing in reply to John Hellmann, 10-14-2004 21:09:54  
John, I'm glad to hear your boys home. I can only imagine the heartbreak that hits a parent as they watch their son or daughter either board a plane or leave port to go over seas. It is my hope and prayer that the sacrifices your son and so many like him are making will insure that my own son will not have to wave goodbye to his mother and I. My father was a veteran of the Korean conflict and raised us to beieve that this great country is worth defending. I even tried to enlist in the reserves in 03 at 35 years old with a wife and 2 kids , but bad knee and bad ankle kept me out. So John , tell your son that this father is thankful to him for being America's protecter and for taking my place and if what he and so many others like him are doing will keep my children out of harms way , then I owe him a debt that I will never be able to pay.

Scott

"Lord , by your almighty power , I pray you will keep our men and women overseas out of harms way and in your protective care until they safely return to their loved ones. AMEN!"

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Jrry

10-15-2004 12:41:45




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 Re: Toughest thing in reply to John Hellmann, 10-14-2004 21:09:54  
John, thank your son for us for defending this country. I'm glad to here he's back and ok. I read that 75% of the troups support Bush. It's hard to get 75% of people to agree on anything. I agree with some others that the election will not be as close as the liberial news make it out to be. It's amazing how they make every piece of "news" look bad when we are winning the war and are holding elections over there. Some of the comments by the dems really get me. One said that he got disgusted with Bush after 9/11 because he just sat around and twidled his thumbs. I guess he wanted us to start the war over there without getting the troups there. Another one was asked about the success in Afganstan and their ability to vote now and he said "well they have to carry the ballots on donkeys" You would think he would be a dumb hick and you would be right because he is head of the state democartic party. The liberals want to bash Bush but they can't back up anything but "they have a plan".

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Rudi

10-15-2004 12:38:49




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 Re: Toughest thing in reply to John Hellmann, 10-14-2004 21:09:54  
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John:

I am a Canadian Vet, and I wish to thank your son for his service not just to his country, but for mine and for all the free democracies in the world today. He is making a difference and you should be very proud of him.

I really think the only reason we do not hear the good stuff is cause the media feels bad is better for ratings and good is not. How else to explain it. I have asked the question of Aaron Brown and Newsnight - that was about 9 months ago.... still have not gotten an answer.

I too hope that President Bush gets re-elected. I would rather have him, even though he doesn't think much of us Canadians, (much to his loss as we have been the US's best friend/business partner and ally for almost 200 years) than to face 4 years with that dunce on the donkey.

I think Bush is a good president, and I know that the economy is not his fault, medicare is not his fault, but not letting cheaper prescription drugs from Canada into the states is. Not sure if they are safe ???? -- maybe he really should check the labels -- most of them are produced in the US!!!!! !!!!

Course the dunce on the donkey isn't too much quicker on the uptake there either. Oh well.

Tell your son Canada appreciates his gift!

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Okie Dave

10-17-2004 06:45:56




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 Re: Toughest thing in reply to Rudi, 10-15-2004 12:38:49  
First of all a big Thanks to your son for his service (I am a Viet-Nam vet) my grandson in Army ntl. guard just went back Irac for his for his second tour. He is stationed in Falluja and said it gets pretty hairy at times, havent heard from him in a week or so but as everyone knows there is a lot going on in that area now, as far as the Canadian Drugs coming to the states and being safe I sure hope they are because that's where the VA gets all thiers. Just my thoughts.

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Okie Dave

10-17-2004 11:22:48




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 Re: Toughest thing in reply to Rudi, 10-17-2004 09:56:40  
Well from what i can find out on the drugs, the mfg. companys are not the ones reaping all the profit on the drugs, I got a report from a lady that works in the US Finance Office in Wash. DC, and on the list there were drugs that were marked up 800% at the pharmacy and hospital, the ones marked up the most were for termainal diseses such as cancer, aids, any life saving drug was the highest, my wife has cancer of the throat and the dr. perscribed a med. for her and there was 16 pills in the bottle, at the fair price of $142.00 I checked with the mfg. co. which made the med. and they said they get $0.22 a unit for the pill. So go figure who is gouging and the Gov. backs them up. WOW let me get off this soap Box, man it makes me mad. Sorry for the rambling.

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Okie Dave

10-17-2004 12:43:31




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 Re: Toughest thing in reply to Rudi, 10-17-2004 11:54:32  
It tickles me to hear the hospital and dr. cry when they send in thier bill to out ins. I am %100 disabled VA and my wife is covered by Champ VA, they send thier bill and then the VA tell them what they can charge and have to wright off anything over that. You should hear all the crying when they have to wright of anythine. Sure is like a way to get back for all the people that have to pay cash or super high healt insurance premiums and are required to pay whatever they want to charge, You should hear all the older people here in the states the are moving up your way.

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Rudi

10-17-2004 13:27:30




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 Re: Toughest thing in reply to Okie Dave, 10-17-2004 12:43:31  
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Dave:

I think I heard something many years ago:

"Give us your poor, your down-trodden ..... "

Come on up. Up here seniors don't have to choose between medication and food or rent, for the most part. Canada isn't perfect, but we cope.

I still feel though that the two greatest nations on earth are both Canada and the US. For very similar reasons that most of us already know.

I am just glad that I live in this area of the world and not in some of those other rag-tag countries ruled by despots.

Hey, maybe we could send HMO's and Insurance providers there! Then they could really start crying. Poor babies aren't making 3 or 4 figure profit margins, poor things!

By the way, our doctors here make good salaries. Not as much as they could in the States, but they are all making 6 figures which should be enough for anybody.

More than I make -- wayyyyy more. I too am 100% disabled. I get a $256.00/month VA cheque!!!!! whoopee ding!

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Okie Dave

10-17-2004 16:28:30




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 Re: Toughest thing in reply to Rudi, 10-17-2004 13:27:30  
Wow you guys don't get much for total, I get over $2300 and all hospital services and two free licence tags a year, and free hunting and fishing license. Of course both countrys have thier pros and cons guess that's what makes the world go round. If I didn't have the VA I would already be up there there's no way I could afford health insurance.



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Rudi

10-17-2004 17:51:08




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 Re: Toughest thing in reply to Okie Dave, 10-17-2004 16:28:30  
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Dave:

One thing you guys do better than my fellow Canucks is you know about patriotism.

Here, they call ya when they need ya and as soon as they don't need ya anymore they forget entirely about ya! That is one of life's little truths.

It isn't politically correct to like soldiers. So as soon as the need is no longer there, no one want's to help never mind give them a pension that one can live on. If it wasn't for family benefits we would be in big trouble.

Nope, no free licence tags, licences for hunting or fishing, no extra goodies at all. Pay for whatever you need. Even my meds have to be directly for a pensioned condition or they don't pay squat. Soo, needless to say they don't pay anywhere near 1% of my meds.

Oh well, such is life.

I have friends who are US Vets and they make a lot more than I do.. that is for sure and they don't have to pay for any medical stuff at all.
Wish it were the same here.

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Okie Dave

10-17-2004 18:52:20




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 Re: Toughest thing in reply to Rudi, 10-17-2004 17:51:08  
Like i said both countrys have thier perks and downs, I can't see how anyone in this country can make it, especially the young just starting out working for minimum wage, and the old with only SS for income, if I hadn't supported my mother till she died she would have been in big trouble, she only got $535 a month and her meds were over $600 she couldn't even get on medicade because they said she made to much, I don't know where it is all going but it seems there are only two classes anymore, the rich that get richer and the poor that get poorer. The taxes go up and the wages go down for the lower class. Well better get out of here it's be fun.

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Sam in NJ

10-15-2004 10:58:34




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 Re: Toughest thing in reply to John Hellmann, 10-14-2004 21:09:54  
John,

Thanks for your post. It's great to finally hear the truth from someone who has actually been there. God Bless your son and his comrades for their efforts and sacrifices in order that the rest of us can go on living the way we do.

It's unfortunate that the majority of us are only able to hear what the liberal media wants us to hear. What's even more infuriating is to know that the same liberals who think it's no big deal that a president wears his pants around his ankles, will villify a good man with integrity who has had to make some very hard choices when it comes to our national security.

I remember how I felt the day those towers fell. I also remember the speech President Bush gave while standing next to a rescue worker on a pile of rubble. Through his megaphone he said we would seek out and destroy these terrorists where they live. He has kept his promise.

Freedom is not free. God Bless our soldiers, and God Bless our country.

Sam

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Jay (ND)

10-15-2004 10:52:07




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 Re: Toughest thing in reply to John Hellmann, 10-14-2004 21:09:54  
A BIG thank you to your son, and all the sons and daughters that have served. And thank you to you too for sharing your son and his experiences with us.

I served in Gulf 1 - that was a piece of cake. But it was tough, mostly on our families, because they didn't know where we were, what we were doing, etc. And communication home was mostly restricted to letters (no email then). Anyways, enough about that.

We've known for a while that the Iraquis have picked up arms and joined us rather than opposed us. They know a good thing when they see it. We offer them hope and a chance to have a say in the way things are. A warm meal and a clean bed. Clean water and safe streets. They aren't safe yet, but they will be.

As far as the insurgents go - here is my theory - let them come. I would sooner take care of them all in one place than to go globe trotting looking for them. The more the merrier. We will win this, but it will be long and expensive, with both dollars and personal I regret to say. Fight them there or fight them here. I chose the latter.

You bet, this is the same story I've been hearing from the vast majority of those returning.

Read this article about a doctor (Watertown, SD) returning from Iraq:

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Jay (ND)

10-15-2004 10:57:49




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 Re: Toughest thing in reply to Jay (ND), 10-15-2004 10:52:07  
PS - If your son has any pictures of his time over there, I would love to see them. The light moments and the heavy. Or whatever. Thanks!



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Matt K.

10-15-2004 09:53:04




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 Re: Toughest thing in reply to John Hellmann, 10-14-2004 21:09:54  
John,I first want to Thank you're son for serving our country & protecting our freedom. Secondly if you want the truth about the progress over there and REAL worth while reporting it's Fox News.We have a candidate running around out there saying wrong war, wrong time, wrong place, stop and think about the message that sends to our troops and the terrorists besides,talk about aiding the enemy.This war is equivalent to a last stand for these terrorists,they will be dealt a blow when we have defeated them there,no surprise about the people they are sending over the borders to fight.
The main-stream media ( Liberal) has tried to suppress any and all good news coming in from either war.I stand firmly with our president,he has the courage and convictions to lead this country in a post 9/11 world.

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captaink

10-15-2004 07:05:01




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 Re: Toughest thing in reply to John Hellmann, 10-14-2004 21:09:54  
Wonderful posts! I must add my thanks to all that have helped this great country maintain its freedom by serving in the military. I had four uncles that served in WWII, two of them still alive. They will tell you that preserving liberty and freedom takes work, and not pleasent work!

I too have a friend of mine that is full time National Guard that was away from home for 15 months, 12 of them in Iraq. Like others have mentioned here, when he finally started to open up about the experiences, he too said we are doing the right thing. Things are getting better over there, and the general populace of Iraq is glad that we took Sadam out!

Again thank you to all that have served this county with their military service! God bless you, your families, and the USA!!!

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The Red Baron

10-15-2004 06:38:14




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 Re: Toughest thing in reply to John Hellmann, 10-14-2004 21:09:54  
John, I appreciate the sacrifice that your son made and share in your joy at his return home. Do you know how I could send small gifts of appreciation to our service men and women over there to help them pass the time? And if so, where I to send them? Thank you.



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Paul in Mich

10-15-2004 05:59:27




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 Re: Toughest thing in reply to John Hellmann, 10-14-2004 21:09:54  
John, Thanks for your post, and thank your son for me and my family. My grandson is there as we speak, and I pray that I can give a similar update to his contribution and sacrifice upon his return. I have volumns to say in the Iraqi subject, but couldnt say it any better than you, so I"ll leave it at that while I enjoy my liberty and freedom, even though it comes at the expense of some mighty fine heros. God, we have so much to be proud of here in America.

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Andy Martin

10-15-2004 06:16:35




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 Re: Toughest thing in reply to Paul in Mich, 10-15-2004 05:59:27  
I've got a friend who ends his e-mails with

"If you cn read this, thank a teacher.

If you can read it in English, thank a vet"

Thanks, Veterans



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Randy SE-MN.

10-15-2004 05:44:38




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 Re: Toughest thing in reply to John Hellmann, 10-14-2004 21:09:54  
Nice post John. We here in Spring Valley recieved one of our home-town heroes back. Luke Rath is his name, and he was wounded in action not once but twice if I understand right. We are indeed very proud of this young American. Semper Fi...



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Bob Frey

10-15-2004 05:33:08




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Thanks for the post John. Just the other day I plowed the garden with the Super M that my dad bought new. I was enjoying the old tractor and thinking that I am really grateful to those in the military that make sure that we have a great country to live in and enjoy so much.

Bob



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Hound

10-15-2004 05:08:40




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Great post. Thank you. Hound



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Roy Shields

10-15-2004 04:49:12




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 Re: Toughest thing in reply to John Hellmann, 10-14-2004 21:09:54  
The other day I was out riding on an old tractor and giving thanks that I was born in the USA instead of in a cave in Iraq or one of its neighbors. For all of our faults we still have a great nation, and God bless your son for doing his duty to help keep it that way.



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John A.

10-15-2004 04:43:33




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 Re: Toughest thing in reply to John Hellmann, 10-14-2004 21:09:54  
John, So very glad that your son is safely back home. Our LORD does provide!
I am going to say this in answer to your question...."THE LIBERAL Mainstream MEDIA",(ABC-CBS-NBC-CNN-most Papers) that is bent on getting Kerry elected.
You will not hear anything that is good, that would be beneficial to the conservative side period.
That IS the answer in a nutshell!
Later,
John A



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Allan in NE

10-15-2004 05:19:38




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 Re: Toughest thing in reply to John A., 10-15-2004 04:43:33  
Mornin' John,

You bet! And further, there are two distinct and definite crowds of folks all standing in two very different lines here.

There are those who actually produce and there are those who cannot or will not provide for themselves and they stand there with their hands out wanting to be supported and pampered by the government. These types always make their way in the world by leaching off the labors of others.

Don't have much time for that check-cashing bunch.

Allan

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Tim...OK

10-15-2004 04:16:00




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 Re: Toughest thing in reply to John Hellmann, 10-14-2004 21:09:54  
Great post John, Glad to hear he's home,even temporarily. A good friend of mine is home right too,on leave.He says the same things,all they show us is the bad,bad sells..We can thank the far left,liberal press for that.They only want you to hear about how bad it's going..
God bless your son and all the troops..
Tell him we said THANKS!!

Tim



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Indiana

10-14-2004 23:51:12




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 Re: Toughest thing in reply to John Hellmann, 10-14-2004 21:09:54  
Good to hear your son is well. Thanks for passing along the info from Iraq. Please Thank him, for his Honorable Service, on behalf on myself and my family. Dan Davis USN 1985-91.



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ugly in Tx.

10-14-2004 23:41:35




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 Re: Toughest thing in reply to John Hellmann, 10-14-2004 21:09:54  
I have two G'sons and a grand nephew who did tours in Iraq. One g'son was ready and willing before he went and when they pulled him out. he immediately volunteered for a second tour. The other didn't want to go at all, but when he came back he said about the same as your boy. "They are only showing you folks at home all the bad stuff". "They are not reporting the truth." But you and I and all other vets know that the bad sells papers, and sensationalism makes good copy and film.
Any vet should have been able to predict that we would lose more people to terror attacks after we took the country than when we were taking it. Thats the way they fight over there. God bless our troops and our country.

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bubba

10-14-2004 21:20:56




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 Re: Toughest thing in reply to John Hellmann, 10-14-2004 21:09:54  
Same reason we heard from the Jane Fondas in Nam.Its the communication age and the squeaky wheels get all the attention.Too many do gooder liberals with computers these days.Thank God your for people like your son or the fight would be here before long.



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Allan in NE

10-14-2004 21:19:14




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 Re: Toughest thing in reply to John Hellmann, 10-14-2004 21:09:54  
John,

Me too. What the he!! is going on? I watch that news and just shake my head.

'Course ya know what I think? Those that are a makin' all that noise just have never worn the hat. Most don't ya know; a few good ones take care of the masses.

I think there are lots and lots of folks who think like you & I do and in in about 18 days, they will speak and speak very loudly.

Allan



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Cmore

10-14-2004 21:34:15




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 Re: Toughest thing in reply to Allan in NE, 10-14-2004 21:19:14  
Allen, yes they will, and you'll probably be surprised...Florida now has REAL voting machines....Cmore



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Jimmy King

10-16-2004 08:42:28




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 Re: Toughest thing in reply to Cmore, 10-14-2004 21:34:15  
BUT, they will have to speak english to use them???



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Andy Martin

10-15-2004 06:07:08




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 Re: Toughest thing in reply to Cmore, 10-14-2004 21:34:15  
Every time I hear a liberal complain, I note we have had no more terror attacks on US soil.

The liberals warned us we would lose thousands taking Iraq. Since they were wrong on that, they act like rooting out terrorists should be a cake walk.

WHAT IF Gore had been elected? We couldn't have sent them enough money after 9/11 to apologize for making them do it. Look to the Phillipines response and all the beheadings that has caused to see what Sore Loserman and the other liberals would have gotten us into.

If anybody is naive enough to think our homeland security is doing anything but harrassing Americans, think again. The thing that is keeping us safe is going after them HARD in their homes, hiding behind their neighbors' wives and children. They don't have time to think about coming over here.

Maybe I lean toward the conservative line of thinking.

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Cmore

10-15-2004 08:02:25




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We'll just see who the "Sore Lousermans" are in a few weeks...Cmore



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Allan in NE

10-15-2004 06:17:22




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 Re: Toughest thing in reply to Andy Martin, 10-15-2004 06:07:08  
Andy,

I'm buyin' your coffee this mornin'. :>)

I gotta say the liberals do serve a function, however. The nice thing about the liberals is that hey sure make the sane folks with common sense look good. :>)

Allan



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Andy Martin

10-15-2004 07:08:55




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 Re: Toughest thing in reply to Allan in NE, 10-15-2004 06:17:22  
If it weren't for the liberals, everybody would want old tractors and where would that leave us?

All the old tractors would be in museums and it would be illegal to privately own one, or worse yet, possibly damage it by running it, or, horror at the thought, working it.

Any extras not needed in museums would be recycled to provide steel for developing countries to make weapons with. After all, we would not be making them feel poor and inferior if we gave them the materials to make their own weapons.

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old Navy guy

10-15-2004 11:20:10




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 Re: Toughest thing in reply to Andy Martin, 10-15-2004 07:08:55  
As one of those really bad "Liberals" who served in the US Navy for 32 years during both Korean and Vietnam wars I have been accused of a lot of things but never of wanting to put all old tractors in museums!!

If any of you ever bothered to read any books you would find that your hero has never earned an honest dollar in his life, that his Daddy's friends bailed him out of every hole he got into and that every business, including the state of Texas, (And now the USA) went broke right after he left.

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Harley

10-15-2004 08:39:24




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 Re: Toughest thing in reply to Andy Martin, 10-15-2004 07:08:55  
So glad to hear your son made it back okay. Mine is in Baghdad right now, and when I was in Nam I never had any idea what my folks were going through here at home. Now as a parent, it's almost worse for me than being there. Thank your boy for being a man and serving his whole tour. I didn't know it at the time, but I guess in Nam they had "Easy-out Tours", Short-Timer Tours, Full Timer Tours, and Extended Tours. Being an old long legged dumb farm kid I took the most I could get cause Dad always said to get all you could for your money. Silly us, I didn't know I had a choice or I could have taked the Easy-OUt Tour, come home, made up some lies, and in 20 odd years ran for President. Makes me wonder what I did with my summer wages, Harley

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NDS

10-15-2004 15:04:44




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 Re: Toughest thing in reply to Harley, 10-15-2004 08:39:24  
You had another choice you could have had your influencial friends wrangle you one of those coveted national guard fighter pilot slots. When you got bored you could have your friends arrange for a transfer to Alabama, show up to have your teeth fixed, not take your required physical and skedaddle out 2 years early to go to Yale (never mind taxpayers had huge investment in your training). I am no fan of Kerry think we have two bad choices.

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