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e-manhunt

10-11-2004 06:44:39




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Changed the oil on my M. There's some sludge. My father says put kerosene in the oil to clean it out. This doesn't sound right. "Gum Out" makes a product for cleaning out oil sludge called "Gunk Out." Anyone ever used this?Second: I want to replace the oil filter, but the Operator's manual does not identify a specifc size. Is there one standard Purolator filer ?

thanks.




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e-manhunt

10-12-2004 08:06:03




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 Thanks in reply to e-manhunt, 10-11-2004 06:44:39  
Wow. Sort of like talking to my wife -- I never know what is going to stir her up. I got a few more days to mull things over before I get another crack at the tractor. Thanks for all the info.



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Kendall

10-12-2004 07:03:02




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 Re: Oil sludge in reply to e-manhunt, 10-11-2004 06:44:39  
Drop the oil pan and clean it out. This will put you ahead of the game. Use Rislone with oil changes and change the oil and filter more often than normal for a few times. After a few cycles of this, you can go back to regular oil and changes.



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lee

10-12-2004 06:36:53




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 Re: Oil sludge in reply to e-manhunt, 10-11-2004 06:44:39  
Any old tractor is going to have sludge. More frequent oil changes are best way to go. Sludge on the cast surfaces inside the engine don't really hurt anything. Trying to wash it all out in one fell swoop may cause problems.



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gene b

10-12-2004 05:29:27




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 Re: Oil sludge in reply to e-manhunt, 10-11-2004 06:44:39  
Do you have the tall filter or the short one? Why dont you just drop the pan and clean it and the oil sump put new oil in and go. What kind of heavy load would you be doing anyway?



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gene

10-11-2004 22:11:23




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 Re: Oil sludge in reply to e-manhunt, 10-11-2004 06:44:39  
I knew there would be a discussion on this question. Another solution I heard of was putting the kerosene in the crank case and rocking the tractor - without starting the tractor. Then draining the kerosene and refilling with oil.

I'll have to remember this topic for the next family reunion. I'll bet this topic will start an arguement that will last for hours.



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Allan in NE

10-12-2004 04:54:28




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 Re: Oil sludge in reply to gene, 10-11-2004 22:11:23  
Hi ya Gene,

Aw heck, nothin' to argue about; if a feller isn't comfortable with it, he shouldn't do it.

But on the other hand, farmers & mechanics have been using kerosene and diesel to flush engines/rear ends for 50 or 60 years. No ill effects that I've ever heard of. :>)

Allan



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gene

10-12-2004 08:37:58




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 Re: Oil sludge in reply to Allan in NE, 10-12-2004 04:54:28  
Agree. A fellow should do what he is comfortable with.

It's not that I'm opinionated. It's just that I don't understand why everyone else doesn't see things my way. Smile.

Gene



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rustyfarmall

10-11-2004 16:37:11




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 Re: Oil sludge in reply to e-manhunt, 10-11-2004 06:44:39  
NAPA has a product called RISLONE that seems to work pretty good, but auto trans fluid works probably just as well, and nothing wrong with kerosene either. The H used 2 different sizes of oil filters. Older models had a tall filter, sometime around 1946 or later they switched to a short filter. The canister that houses the filter will be either short or tall as well.



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CNKS

10-11-2004 14:17:23




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 Re: Oil sludge in reply to e-manhunt, 10-11-2004 06:44:39  
I have a different opinion. Pull the pan, valve cover and the pushrod plate (or whatever it's called) on the right side of the engine. That's where most of the crud is. You can get it cleaner with the head off, but you probably don't want to go that far.



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riverbend

10-11-2004 10:38:28




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 Re: Oil sludge in reply to e-manhunt, 10-11-2004 06:44:39  
My 2 cents - just change the oil and filter more often. Use a good detergent oil. Try to get the engine hot when you use it.

I would not run kerosene, diesel, or an engine flush.



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Ben in KY

10-11-2004 08:36:19




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 Re: Oil sludge in reply to e-manhunt, 10-11-2004 06:44:39  
Your local NAPA dealer should be able to help you with the filter.



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Allan in NE

10-11-2004 07:13:15




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 Re: Oil sludge in reply to e-manhunt, 10-11-2004 06:44:39  
Hi,

I agree with your dad.

Kerosene or diesel fuel in the crankcase instead of engine oil and let 'er run at a "just-off idle" speed for about 3 or 4 minutes with no load.

Cleans 'em right out; same thing for a tranny/rear end.

Allan



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gene

10-11-2004 09:21:13




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 Re: Oil sludge in reply to Allan in NE, 10-11-2004 07:13:15  
My opinion. Do not put kerosene or diesel fuel in the engine and then run the engine. You may take out a bearing.

I would go for the Gum Out or a couple of fast oil changes using a high detergent oil.

Yes, I know this will cause some discussion.



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Andy Martin

10-11-2004 10:42:05




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 Re: Oil sludge in reply to gene, 10-11-2004 09:21:13  
I'm with Gene. Never had a problem putting detergent oil in an old M. I wouldn't worry too much about a rapid change, either. As long as you have good oil pressure you'll be OK.

Do check the sludge for metal particles indicating excessive engine wear.

Kerosene will clean it right up, but you may find you have a little less oil pressure afterward due to accelerated bearing wear. The problem is in starting the engine after you have drained the kerosene. You have kerosene in the bearings with very little film pressure, so every revolution before pressure gets to the bearings can damage the bearing surfaces. Once you get pressure, oil, kerosene, water, etc. will float the bearing and provide protection under low-stress conditions.

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Allan in NE

10-11-2004 11:04:28




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 Re: Oil sludge in reply to Andy Martin, 10-11-2004 10:42:05  
So, let me see if I have this straight.

As long as this glorified water-based carb cleaner comes from NAPA with a label on it deeming it as safe to use in engine crankcases, that it is okay to use as a flushing agent?

Is this pretty much how it works? :>)

Allan



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dhermesc

10-11-2004 09:42:20




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 Re: Oil sludge in reply to gene, 10-11-2004 09:21:13  
I agree, space your oil changes closer togather and use some kind of engine flush (I like B12) at oil change time. Be sure to add a "stop leak" to the fresh oil. The chemicals in engine flush treatments dry out seals.



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