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1 Point Fast Hitch

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TomSAV

09-25-2004 15:32:11




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I am curious to whether a one point fast hitch for a Super A will work on a Super AV. Do the hydraulics have enough movement to compensate for the extra height in order to lower an implement like a land plow or disk to the proper depth? Is the mounting the same on the Super AV as Super A? Another question along the same lines is that will 1 point cub equipment work on a Super A 1 point fast hitch? There seems to be alot more cub equipment than Super A equipment available. Thank you.


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Hugh MacKay

09-25-2004 18:30:42




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 Re: 1 Point Fast Hitch in reply to TomSAV, 09-25-2004 15:32:11  
Tom: I suspect there are some differences in the 1 point hitch for high clear models. Having never looked into this nor even seen a high clear with 1 point hitch I don't know.

On the hitching to Cub implements the SA, 100, 130 and 140 all use the large hitch socket while the Cub uses the small one. Cub implements will work on the larger tractors using the 1/2" filler bar. IH provided and sold these years ago, just a 1/2" x 1" x 12" bar to take up space. I have quite a few attachments I fabricated using small hitch forks. In each case I perminently welded a bar to the bottom of fork for the filler bar.

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Mike Schmudlach

09-27-2004 14:57:54




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 Re: 1 Point Fast Hitch in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-25-2004 18:30:42  
Hugh,
The points on a Cub are the same as on an 100 etc.... They are the large point. NOT small point.
All 1 pt implements are large point. Only the Super C series tractors have small point (200, 230) The 240 has large points.
The 100/130 highcrop actually had a 2 point small point FH.



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Hugh MacKay

09-27-2004 16:28:16




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 Re: 1 Point Fast Hitch in reply to Mike Schmudlach, 09-27-2004 14:57:54  
Mike: I know of two Cubs that have the small point hitch. I have bought and sold enough of the attachments, and yes I have seen both large and small 1 point implements. I would say all that I have dealt with are very early Cub with fast hitch. I can't say as I have ever taken notice to Cubs other than those two I mentioned above. I have checked out just about every 1 point implement, I've seen in auctions over the past 45 years. Small points have been quite frequent.

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Mike Schmudlach

09-27-2004 20:28:45




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 Re: 1 Point Fast Hitch in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-27-2004 16:28:16  
Hugh,
I would love to see a picture of a Cub 1 point with small points. IH never made such a thing.
If you have seen a 1 point small point it was some after market not IH. I collect fast hitch implements and have never seen an IH built 1 pt small point. I have never seen an after market or shortline 1 point small point either. Nor have I seen one in any parts book. If you study the numbering system for implements it will even state that the implements are for Cub or 100s (series) and Cubs on the later 1 pt. equipment.
Please take some pictures of these implements and Cub small point fasthitches and send them to me. I have spent many hours in the Archives of IH at the WHS and have never discovered any of your 1 pt. small point stuff.
Please prove me wrong with some pictures and make sure to take pictures of the part numbers.
Mike mschmudlach@charter. net

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Hugh MacKay

09-28-2004 03:52:34




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 Re: 1 Point Fast Hitch in reply to Mike Schmudlach, 09-27-2004 20:28:45  
Mike: I don't own a Cub, and the only Cub a 51, left our farm in 1958, traded on a new 130. I probably shouldn't have been so quick to say Cubs have small point socket as the two Cubs I refered to in earlier post, I did not measure. I do know they were factory hitches. I do know a bit about that one as I've been around these close to 50 years. The reason for making the statment is I was trying to buy implements from these tractors as they were at roadside with for sale signs. The implements were all small point. Had the price been right I may have bought some of these, particularly the roll over plow.

Over the years I have owned 3 - SA, 2 - 130 and a 140. One of the 130s was a parts tractor bought to acquire fast hitch for a SA. I currently own a SA, 130 and 140 all with single point fast hitch. I also have 12 single point implements, and am always looking for more. Over the years I have run across numerous small point, single point fast hitch implements at auctions. And yes some of them were IH factory implements. Some were also fabricated implements. I have 4 implements I either modified or fabricated using hitch points from SC, 200 mowers. I do know the difference from IH factory original and aftermarket.

If I run across any of these and have a camra I will take a photo. However don't hold your breath waiting as I am not in the habit of taking a camra to auctions. Might see it at shows, but that season almost over up in these parts.

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Sharky

09-26-2004 18:27:30




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 Re: 1 Point Fast Hitch in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-25-2004 18:30:42  
Het, Hugh,

I went out and measured by 140 Fast Hitch points vs. the Cub Fast hitch points. I found no difference. I re-read you reply, and think I measured the wrong demension, so When you say they are an inch Difference, you don't mean thickness, (Wide) side to side, but rather thickness top to bottom? Right? (Than's the only demension I didn't compare) Everything else measured the same, Point size, groove length, point length, width 1" (side to side), so If I understand you right you would put to plate you're refferring to on the bottom of the Cub Fast hitch point to make up the difference?

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Hugh MacKay

09-26-2004 19:02:48




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 Re: 1 Point Fast Hitch in reply to Sharky, 09-26-2004 18:27:30  
Sharky: The difference is height and is 1/2". Yes you put the filler plate on bottom. This is why the 1/2" filler plate will work. Length is the same. You will find the socket on SA, 100, 130 and 140 is 1-1/8" wide. I think Cub is only 1" wide. You will find some of the large forks are 1-1/8" wide or thick at bottom, but taper to 1" at top.



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