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FC

09-13-2004 09:21:12




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While off topic, I can always get good advice here, and perhaps some have some experience with this. Since I moved onto a piece of land which has been in my family for many years, but not lived upon for 30 years, I have had numerous confrontations with individuals in a stream going through the property. Most recently it involved a dirt bike riding within the stream bed. The individual was not pleased to put it mildly when I informed him he was on private property, and asked him to leave. He informed me that I was interfering with "the locals" and he had done what he wanted there for 27 F%$#$ing years, and I did not own the creek (I do in fact, as it is a non-navigable stream, and dirt bikes are not allowed in any stream, regardless of it's navigable status). The last confrontation resulted from a 4X4 pickup. He ended up with trespassing charges, as well as a couple stream violations. I feel I should build a water gate of some sort to avoid these type heated confrontations if possible. Now some details on the creek.....it is 120 feet wide at the roadside from bank to bank, and the water has risen to over 8 feet deep on the bank during high water at this point, however currently the water flows easily through 2 12 inch culverts under a low water bridge which has been the point of entry for these individuals. Normal fencing materials would certainly not withstand the waters, but I was considering swinging a cable attached to something on each bank. Any ideas? Or leave it alone, and keep confronting the trespassers? I am tired of the verbal abuse I am getting on my own property, but letting them do what they want is not an option in my opinion, and the land is posted.

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Robert in NC

09-14-2004 16:12:25




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 Re: AN IDEA FOR NEXT TIME!! in reply to FC, 09-13-2004 09:21:12  
We have this problem on our land too only we have a pond that people like to fish in. Next time someone is going through your stream, pull out a camera and start taking pictures of them. Make it very obivious as to what you are doing and then get in your truck and leave. If someone asks about the pictures and what they are about, tell them anything you want just as long as it keeps them guessing about what they are and who you are.
Trust me, this works for two reasons. ONE - No one likes to have their space invaded. You don't and thats obivious. TWO - No one is going to know what these pictures are about, who they are going to or who is going to see them. You are basically challenging them and no one likes to be challenged. The more they think about what you did, the more they are going to get worried about what it is all about. When the mind doesn't have answers, it makes answers right or wrong. Mostly wrong. But getting someone paraniod gives you an advantage over them and if nothing else, it's fun to make them wonder!!

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You can't win!

09-14-2004 05:33:37




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 Sorry, there's no winning here. in reply to FC, 09-13-2004 09:21:12  
No matter what you do, there's always some yahoo whose momma didn't raise them right. They'll trespass when they want. If you put up barriers, they'll take 'em down, or go around. You can keep confronting them, and if the local law will help, prosecute them. Here, the local law enforcement doesn't consider it a high priority, even if they're doing you damage. Other problem is that if you confront them, they'll come back and vandalize when you're not there to protect, observe, or prosecute. Those that choose to ignore your property rights can be a nasty bunch to deal with. I have lots of trouble with snowmobiles, they can do a lotta trespassing in a short time at 100mph!

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Hugh MacKay

09-14-2004 03:25:38




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 Re: OT-Ideas for watergate in reply to FC, 09-13-2004 09:21:12  
FC: Ludwig has your best solution. I had a problem once with people who like using waterways. I knew a couple of these guys, so went to them and suggested I may have to install a gate with a lock. I indicated that I didn't like that idea as I would have to always stop and open gate.

I didn't mind people using my roadway as long as they stayed on the roadway, and not damage the road bed or ditches. The two guys I knew just liked going in my roadway and spending a quite afternoon fishing. My road went for about 1/2 mile along river bank. Both these guys were in their 70s or 80s. The problems stopped, they policed this problem for me.

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John A.

09-13-2004 20:40:53




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 Re: OT-Ideas for watergate ... Long response in reply to FC, 09-13-2004 09:21:12  
FC. Sound to me its time to build fence! Being as you said that no one had lived on this place in many years , then the locals consider this to be "out land" so to speak. Make sure that the rest of your fence is "up to snuff".
Now for the "water gap" as we call then here in Central Texas.
I have personally done a run of over 100 ft as you have spoken of. So here goes...
The corner post up on the highest point of the creek bank, I suggest useing 8in steel pipe.for the post and 2&7/8 as the brace pipes. Makeing a double H setup on each bank.
Get someone who had a digger truck or what have you, to get more depth than a tractor post-hole digger. Sink the holes 5 to 6ft deep. Bell-out the bottom of the hole. set your steel pipe post, only put cement in the lower 1/3 of the hole, and fill up the pipe. Leaving the top 3 in unfilled.
Let stand for a day. The remainder of the hole put back the dry soil in, 3in incerments, tamping the soil back to hard Till the holes are full. Weld in your brace pipes. Now do the same on the other creek bank.
I estimate that these post will have about 5or 6ft in the ground, and 5 ft in the air, post are 10 ft long. Once the two sets of braces are in place. Take your tourch and blow a hole through each of the pipes in the top unfilled 3 in. of all 6 pipes. use 5/8 cable and large industrial turn-buckel
Or something like a screw style boomer to keep the cable tight
Now for the gap...I have used Roll picket fence and supeneded it with chain from the cable.
BUT, first the pickets need to be strengthened by taking 1in x 3/16 strap iron and mount it to the top of the pickets just under the top wire.
The hard part is that I was taught that a 1/4 x1 bolt needs to be put on each picket, and you can mount the swing chain at what ever places that best suits your location to make the pickets sit and swing level.
OBTW... a littl baling wire at the bottom on each end to be the break-aways Once your place is fenced , the locals will soon get the picture that this place is now off limits.
Basicly, you are not fencing your place to keep your livestock in, Your fencing it to keep the IDIOTS out. Even though I detest posted signs put up a couple....These folks need the warning sticker telling them NOT to place their hands under mower while it is running too. Hope this helps!
I uncovered if you wish to visit!
Later,
John A.

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jonesy

09-13-2004 21:01:13




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 Re: OT-Ideas for watergate ... Long response in reply to John A., 09-13-2004 20:40:53  
Shotguns work well here in Texas too.



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John A.

09-13-2004 21:30:58




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 Re: OT-Ideas for watergate ... Long response in reply to jonesy, 09-13-2004 21:01:13  
Jonesy, AMEN!
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Say send me you email again, I uncovered. I do want that water jacket cover for an M
Later,
John A.



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Paul Shuler

09-13-2004 17:10:53




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 Re: OT-Ideas for watergate in reply to FC, 09-13-2004 09:21:12  
I'm so sorry to hear of your trouble with off roaders disrespecting you and your property,not to mention the enviroment.My son and I are avid 4 wheeler riders and we are blessed in SW MO to have unlimited places in the Mark Twain national forrest area to ride. You could ride a life time and not see all of it. We stay on marked trails,we do not hot rod and give the right-of-way to horse riders or anyone else we meet. Without exception when we are trailoring our atv's we get the finger or bad comments from folks that have had bad experiences with people on atv's. I'm afraid they are going to ruin it for those of us that are law abiding citizens. I have also seen some my old hunting grounds dry up from the dissrespect people have for the land owners and the enviroment. I sir apologize to you from all of us that enjoy the outdoors and would never dream of infringing on your rights and property. And please be careful in dealing with your treaspassers,life is so cheap anymore you just never know when your life may be in danger approaching one of these people.
Paul Shuler
Walk softly and carry a big gun.

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scotty

09-14-2004 05:00:14




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 Re: OT-Ideas for watergate in reply to Paul Shuler, 09-13-2004 17:10:53  
Hey Paul, Well stated, I have been on both sides of the fence. Just curious if you got the property that you and the wife were looking at/

scotty



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Paul Shuler

09-14-2004 14:03:21




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 Re: OT-Ideas for watergate in reply to scotty, 09-14-2004 05:00:14  
Yes we did, we close on it the 27th of this month. I was real cool with it till they accepted our offer. Now I have butterflies in my belly thinking about starting all over on the 30 year loan thing again.



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FC

09-13-2004 19:31:13




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 Re: OT-Ideas for watergate in reply to Paul Shuler, 09-13-2004 17:10:53  
Paul; no apology needed. I ride an ATV myself, but on my own property mostly. Certainly not on others without their permission. I have no problem with those who respect others property and ride for enjoyment. You are fortunate to have the area you have to enjoy. I am familiar with it, and parts of it are just to my south. This guy showed me nothing but disrespect, including telling me I did not belong, and should move to the city. There are bad apples in every batch, and I just found one.

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Kurt (mi)

09-13-2004 16:32:27




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 Re: OT-Ideas for watergate in reply to FC, 09-13-2004 09:21:12  
You may want to try placing large rocks in the stream, those truck and quads will get hung up on those rocks.



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Tim...OK

09-13-2004 13:05:19




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 Re: OT-Ideas for watergate in reply to FC, 09-13-2004 09:21:12  
I was having some trouble with neighbor kids and their 4 wheelers, I think I accidentally spilled about 30 lbs. of old rusty roofing nails in their trails..they quit coming around..Ya reckon they were having tire troubles??? (grin) hated to do it,but nothing else was working..



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Ludwig

09-13-2004 12:36:49




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 Re: OT-Ideas for watergate in reply to FC, 09-13-2004 09:21:12  
I own a piece of property that hasn't been lived on and the fourwheelers cross it pretty heavy. For years my great uncle fought them tooth and nail. If he caught one on the property he'd bring them up on tresspass charges, then they'd sneak in in the night and set off fireworks or threaten to burn down our camp or something else.
Since I've owned the farm we've been filling in the entrances the fourwheelers use with brush but always leaving them one hole in and one hole out. This summer I took the bushhog and cut a path from one hole to the other. Since we aren't mowing that field this year the grass quite high everywhere except the path.
The idea is to get the fourwheelers all trained to use the path. I know I can't keep them out but I can keep them contained and thats something. Since we've started this there have been zero incidents of vandalism. The fenceline isn't all tore up, they don't push through the brush piles or tear down the no tresspassing signs, we don't get flipped off when a fourwheeler rides by and things are much more peacefull because I routed the path away from the camp. All in all it works out well for everybody. Sure its my land but as long as they aren't hurting anything its better this way than the constant fight.
Another thing we did was write to the local fourwheeler club and tell them to police the riders or our land would be closed off with a good high fence. I've seen people from the club stop the yahoos from doing stupid stuff and hustle them off our land. Make ally's not enemies and your ally's will do the work for you.

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ebbsspeed

09-13-2004 11:50:32




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 Re: OT-Ideas for watergate in reply to FC, 09-13-2004 09:21:12  
Or if you don't want to do the gate thing, dredge an 8-foot deep pit in the stream bed on your side of the low water bridge. Your "neighbors" will only drive into it once. Might have to have it dredged every so often if it fills in, but sometimes the cost of admission is worth the entertainment.



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FC

09-13-2004 13:54:15




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 Re: OT-Ideas for watergate in reply to ebbsspeed, 09-13-2004 11:50:32  
I like the 8 foot deep hole. I just don't have the equipment to dig it. That'd be a lot of material, seeing as it is over 100 feet wide. Plus, I would bet solid rock is not nearly that deep in the creek bed. Just as I expected, I am getting some good ideas. I will have to admit, their are not nearly as many problems as I thought I would have, as they know someone lives on the place now, but there are always the die hards that "have the right to go where they want". He was right in that he has probably done what he wanted their for 27 years as no one lived on the place, and he did not get caught. Dad only came on the place to feed the cattle, etc, but did have a few run-ins with some characters. This creek ford was well known in the area as a party spot. Since living there, I have pretty much ruined that for them as I have had the county law break up a few parties, sending them home with minor in possession violations. Don't get me wrong - I never say anything to someone who brings their kid to try to fish, or swim in the creek, although I wish they would have the courtesy to ask. I just have a problem with those with no respect for my property or privacy.

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686farmall

09-13-2004 11:43:02




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 Re: OT-Ideas for watergate in reply to FC, 09-13-2004 09:21:12  
If you have some, use old corrugated roofing sheets. You need to use some pretty heavy cable (we used two electrical overhead ground wires twisted together), and hang the sheets vertically with chain. Use about 5 links to attach each sheet to the next sheet at the mid-point of the sheets.
Beauty of this set up is its too heavy for cattle (or bikers) to just push aside, but flood water pushs it up like a hydroplane. Added plus is that branchs, limbs, old tires, etc, don't get caught (you have to flood pretty high before the chain in the middle catches anything).
Takes some work, but it last forever and works fine. And its just about vandel-proof.

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John *.?-!.* cub owner

09-13-2004 11:15:00




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 Re: OT-Ideas for watergate in reply to FC, 09-13-2004 09:21:12  
We call them floogates in our area, but a common practice is a cable suspended high enough that any trees or limbs that wash down will not catch on it, and old shipping pallets (usually free) hanging from wires down to water level. Put a no trespassing sign at each side. I don't know about your state, but in Mo. it is illegal to enter anyones fenced or posted property without their permission.

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JImmy King

09-13-2004 10:49:22




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 Re: OT-Ideas for watergate in reply to FC, 09-13-2004 09:21:12  
The post and cable idea is the way I go I like cattle panels hung on the cable, if you need to you cancut them to shape of the channel or hang more than one deep just by wiring to the bottom. You may tie them at the bottom if you need to with light wire make sure it is light enought to break so when the panels fill up with drift they will float.



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rustyfarmall

09-13-2004 09:48:29




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 Re: OT-Ideas for watergate in reply to FC, 09-13-2004 09:21:12  
You already have the right idea, set a pair of large posts at either side of the stream, and suspend a heavy steel cable across the stream. You can then hang wooden gates or whatever from the cable. We used to use the gates which were already broken or otherwise in poor condition. That way we didn"t care so much when the gates broke loose and floated on down the creek. You will want to set the posts very deep into the ground. Might even contact the utility co. for some posts which they have taken out of service. You want something pretty good sized.

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Andy Martin

09-13-2004 11:00:31




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 Re: OT-Ideas for watergate in reply to rustyfarmall, 09-13-2004 09:48:29  
If your stream carries large amounts of debris during flooding, I suggest hanging sheet iron, old roofing material, from the cable. It provides a visual block for cattle and will float as required to let the water through.

If the cable is too high at the point of entry, though, a dirt biker could push aside the sheet metal.

You should count on using four posts. The outside two are for use as deadmen to hold the inside posts up, cable from the bottom of the outside posts to the top if the inside posts.

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Bill in NC

09-13-2004 12:24:03




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 Re: OT-Ideas for watergate in reply to Andy Martin, 09-13-2004 11:00:31  
Depending on the length and strength of the low water bridge, you could use an eye-bolt arrangement to position a steel rod parallel with the road which is yoked on each end with affixed to cables running underneath the bridge to upstream posts on each side of the creek. Providing the bridge has enough integrity to support the downward weight of the floodgate doors, during floods the upstream posts would provide the "hold-back" . In addition, the upstream posts would also be providing counter-flow force for the bridge, too. Going a step further, a four post arrangement would be even better with two posts set way back from the stream in stable soil and two posts set adjacent to the bridge's upstream entrance. The close-in posts would act to bring the cable into a parallel arrangment prior to meeting up with the flood gates steel hinge rod. An additional thought is to rig the floodgate sections in a fashion that looks like a home garage door installed backwards where the articulating pieces individually hydroplane up in sections as the flood waters rise.

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Andy Martin

09-13-2004 18:09:00




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 Re: OT-Ideas for watergate in reply to Bill in NC, 09-13-2004 12:24:03  
Of course the beauty of the sheet iron is that there are no places for branches to get caught.

Any hinged gate I have seen always gets a branch through the hinge and then the pileup starts.

Sheet metal just rides over all obstacles passing down the stream. You do have to pull out the occasional snag that winds up in the water gap when the water goes down.



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