Welcome! Please use the navigational links to explore our website.
PartsASAP LogoCompany Logo Auction Link (800) 853-2651

Shop Now

   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver

Farmall & IHC Tractors Discussion Forum
:

To B or not to B...stuck

Welcome Guest, Log in or Register
Author 
Sandy

09-08-2004 19:44:32




Report to Moderator

Hi, could use a bit of help here. I've helped my dad restore his red tractors for a long time, and I'm pretty good with the sheet metal. I just sold a Super C and bought a little B. Here's the deal...the B is stuck. The owner of it has cobbled up a few things, but the tractor looks to be in fairly good shape tin-wise, but what is the best way to start unsticking the motor? This is my first mechanical experience and I want to be thorough and do a great job. Where is the best place to start work. I've already told Dad I'm going to do this one myself...he has a tendency to overhelp and I'm well over 21, but even in my 40's, I'd like to make him proud. Is there a book with diagrams, etc. that might help me? Any help is much appreciated.

[Log in to Reply]   [No Email]
Paul in Ontario

09-14-2004 21:58:10




Report to Moderator
 Re: To B or not to B...stuck in reply to Sandy, 09-08-2004 19:44:32  
I'm not a good mechanic (I dont even come close to the expertise that are on this list) but it might not hurt to pull the oil pan off and check the bearings both mains and throws. I rebuilt a B-414 diesel after the former owner didn't check the oil. I ended up replacing the crank shaft, 1 rod and the cam shaft. Good Luck with your project.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Allan in NE

09-09-2004 15:15:52




Report to Moderator
 Re: To B or not to B...stuck in reply to Sandy, 09-08-2004 19:44:32  
Hey Guy,

Not to meddle in your business, but let you Dad help. Do it together.

You never know when the day may come when you would give all you own in this world just to talk to him for 5 minutes more.

Sorry for the intrusion,

Allan



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Sandy

09-09-2004 15:28:14




Report to Moderator
 Re: To B or not to B...stuck in reply to Allan in NE, 09-09-2004 15:15:52  
Allan, I think you maybe didn't read my response. I'm a 40 year old woman who likes to hang out with my Dad. I do all the time. That's why we work together on the tractors. It wasn't meant as a comment to suggest that he meddles, just that occasionally I like to have a project that I can work on by myself, so that I can learn more about the mechanics of the tractors. He farms the mechanical part out usually because it's just not his interest, and he sometimes does that on my tractors too...not realizing that I'm wanting to work on them myself and learn a bit more.

I've always been close to my folks and my grandparents growing up...closer to the men actually because they were involved with more interesting things...motors, machines, etc. My grandpas are gone now, and I spend even more time with my dad in his world of tractors. It's become our world of tractors and I like that.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
JT

09-09-2004 16:13:22




Report to Moderator
 Re: To B or not to B...stuck in reply to Sandy, 09-09-2004 15:28:14  
Yeah for you, I run mower shop, my 16 year old daughter is probably one of my better mechanics. Right now she is changing the oil in her truck.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Will-shooter

09-10-2004 03:11:33




Report to Moderator
 Re: To B or not to B...stuck in reply to JT, 09-09-2004 16:13:22  
Just a quick comment, I too am well over 21 and have had plenty of mechanical experience, from the farm to heavy trucks. But when i rebuilt my first antique tractor, I was able to share that with both my dad and my grandfather-it"s something we share.
Just my 2@



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
JT

09-10-2004 06:32:58




Report to Moderator
 Re: To B or not to B...stuck in reply to Will-shooter, 09-10-2004 03:11:33  
Ain't nothing wrong with dad helping, I am 47 yrs old, and have rebuilt an M, H, B, 9N Ford in the last year, dad always helps, but Sandy's problem is not with dads help, it is with dad wanting to do things for her and not let her get in it up to shoulders and learn on her own.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
JT

09-09-2004 08:57:23




Report to Moderator
 Re: To B or not to B...stuck in reply to Sandy, 09-08-2004 19:44:32  
I am one who looks at this from a fun point of view. If it is stuck, pull the head, oil pan and start taking apart.put some WD40, Kroil, any kind of penetrating oil in each piston, then take each rod loose, try to take pistons out. if it stuck, go to the next one, until you cannot get any out or you have all them out that are not stuck, on all the ones I have done, I usually have one stuck, three that come out. Then put more penetrating oil in it and let it sit, be patient, this did not lock up over night, so it is not going to come loose over night, just oil in it,try turning engine over, take a 4x4 trim to fit cylinder, and put in cylinder and hit top real hard maybe once a day, this will help break loose any rust and let penetrating oil start to seap down cylinder to try to disslve rust. If you are not planning on new sleeves and pistons, do not use heat on this as a B has wet sleeves with o-rings to seal it. If new pistons and sleeves are the order, you can attempt to push sleeves and pistons at the same time from the bottom.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Steve W (NY)

09-09-2004 05:31:42




Report to Moderator
 Re: To B or not to B...stuck in reply to Sandy, 09-08-2004 19:44:32  
For the cost of a head gasket, it's a pretty good idea to take the head off. A B head is one of the easiest heads to remove. Unbolt the Carb You can leave it attached to the air cleaner, but there's a good chance it will need a rebuild anyway. Unbolt the manifold. 6 nuts if I remember correctly. Take off the valve cover. Remove the head bolts. pry carefully around the perimeter in various spots til the head is loose, and then pull it straight up. It's heavy.

Take a good look at what you see. surface rust in the cylinders is OK, but pits are not. Take PB blaster, and spray the perimeter of each piston, and let sit. If you have a crank, keep working it. Another good way is to put it in 4th gear, and rock it back and forth til it comes loose. As soon as you can, get as much junk out of each bore as poissible. I always spray motor oil around each bore, and wipe it clean as the piston tops, spray new, repeat til it's clean. While you are at it, inspect the valves, and decarbon everything. It's a dirty messy job, but at least then you'll know what you have, and your chance of success goes way up. With that head off, you can clean everything up nice.

As for your dad: I'll be there are a lot of guys reading this who wish their dad was around one more time to meddle. Keep us posted.

Take Care
Steve

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Sandy

09-09-2004 12:04:06




Report to Moderator
 Re: To B or not to B...stuck in reply to Steve W (NY), 09-09-2004 05:31:42  
Wow, that's some great advice! Thanks.

As for Dad, I love him dearly. That's why as a 40something female, I'm helping him in the barn instead of shopping at the mall. I taught high school and college classes for 15 years, and decided to come back home for awhile. He got me interested in the tractors again, and I really enjoy it. It's not really that he meddles. It's just that sometimes he forgets that I have plans to work on something and he goes ahead and has it done. Just a frustration, but I love him and appreciate the things he can teach me. He likes to do a lot of supervising and some of the painting, but he doesn't enjoy, or know, much about the mechanical aspects. That's why I depend on you guys, and you haven't let me down yet.

Thanks again!

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Ed H.

09-08-2004 20:00:17




Report to Moderator
 Re: To B or not to B...stuck in reply to Sandy, 09-08-2004 19:44:32  
there is no set rule or procedure...this is how i start out: A.) take out sparkplugs B.) i use a "pencil" flashlight to look in the cylinders
C.) try to detirmine how many pistons are stuck and how bad, if its more than one, you may as well pull the head and oil pan



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
[Options]  [Printer Friendly]  [Posting Help]  [Return to Forum]   [Log in to Reply]

Hop to:


TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
We sell tractor parts!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today. [ About Us ]

Home  |  Forums


Copyright © 1997-2023 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters

Website Accessibility Policy