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Dakota Jim

08-07-2004 21:19:40




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I have a tractor that runs just fine. The only problem is that if I work it hard and then cut it back to an idle it seems to have low oil pressure for a few minutes before it comes back up. I assume this is because the oil is thinner. It didn't used to do this. It's pretty old but I don't use it much and I really don't see a major job being necessary to keeping it going satisfactorily. I have been running straight 30 weight in it for thickness reasons to keep up the pressure and that seems to help a little. But....I have read recently quite a bit about oils and their various weights. The consensus seems to be that most of the wear occurs at start up and I gathered that thinner oils are better in that regard. My question is: Am I better off to run straight 30 weight so it holds better pressure or should I run 10/30 weight for reasons of thinner viscosity at start up? I really don't understand if it is as thick as 10 weight or 30 weight. Will I lose the thickness advantage of a straight weight by using a multi weight? Can some one bring me up to speed?

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CNKS

08-08-2004 19:12:47




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 Re: Weighty Matters in reply to Dakota Jim, 08-07-2004 21:19:40  
Going to give you another option. When engines wear, oil pressure will drop over, say, a period of 30 minutes to an hour after startup. If you don't want to fix the engine, I would run 20W-50 instead of 30W, and use 15W-40 in the winter if you live in a cold climate. You could also have an oil pump problem.



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Dakota Jim

08-08-2004 14:16:30




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 Re: Weighty Matters in reply to Dakota Jim, 08-07-2004 21:19:40  
Thank you fella's. That was all quite helpful. What I got out of all of that was to run a good multi weight oil as opposed to straight 30--which I was doing until this problem began showing up when I began running straight 30 weight.

Lee...in answer to your questions. The oil pressure DOES indeed run low after running it hard and then slacking off. I would say in the neighborhood of 5-10 minutes. No, there is no problem with over heating whatsoever. I have no numbers on the oil gauge but it starts to go into the red which is a significant enough change from when it is running under load. It corrects after a few minutes or when I ramp up the rpms again. I am suspecting all of the items you ticked off--worn bearings, worn oil pump and the idea of clogged oil drain holes from the valve cover area also occurred to me. I was wondering if any one else would come up with the same conclusions. I have always run Castrol 10/30 in it for many years and changed the oil faithfully so I am a little perplexed how anything could have become sludged up. For the amount I use it I am tempted to avoid a rebuild. I was wondering however to check both other peoples analysis and see what they thought could be done in terms of proper oil weights. That 15/40 sounded like a good idea. Again...thank you all.

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lee

08-08-2004 06:52:57




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 Re: Weighty Matters in reply to Dakota Jim, 08-07-2004 21:19:40  
10W-30 acts like a 10 weight cold and a 30 weight hot. please explain your problem a bit more. Does the oil presure drop off while running hard? You say the oil pressure improves when you back off throttle and wait a few minutes? How long.
Do you have a temp gage on it? Is the engine getting hot and then cooling down significantly?
Does your oil gage have any numbers you can post?
Other than overheating or worn engine bearings or worn pump an old overhead valve engine can sometimes trap oil in the valve cover causing low oil pressure due to low oil level in the pan after hard running. The drain back holes in the head can sometimes get clogged if the motor is sludged up inside.

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Hugh MacKay

08-08-2004 04:08:31




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 Re: Weighty Matters in reply to Dakota Jim, 08-07-2004 21:19:40  
Jim: 35 years ago I switched every engine I owned, about 15 at that time to diesel grade motor oil. For a number of years I used 30 in summer and 20 in winter, then about 15 years ago I switched to 15W-40. These old heavy block, low rpm gassers are a lot more closely related to a diesel than they are the modern day gas engine. I use this oil in every thing even my 4 cycle lawn mower.

Lawn mower is 29 years old, always got 300,000 miles on V8 GM, my V6 Buick is up to 280,000 miles, got 600,000 on a 6.2 diesel and always 4,000 hours on Farmall gassers, 10,000 hours on diesels. By the way that 6.2 diesel is still going in another truck.

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Nebraska Cowman

08-08-2004 01:55:22




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 Re: Weighty Matters in reply to Dakota Jim, 08-07-2004 21:19:40  
I would not run straight 30 in the winter time. other than that it should be just fine. Contrary to what people think oil pressure is just what is left over after the oil has run through the motor. as long as you have flow it should be ok.



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