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Metal Fuel Line on A

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Christopher S.

07-23-2004 09:49:31




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Hey fellas, I'm having another one of those wonderfully simple challenges...

My tractor isn't running well all of a sudden. It's: A: Not getting proper fuel flow or B: Not cooling to the point of shutting the tractor down.

So, first of all, I cleaned out the radiator grill and front last night as it was coated with grass and stuff. I could run about 3 hours with no problem, then it went to about 2 hours, then an hour and half, then an hour and so on until now, within a couple of minutes it begins to stutter and hesitate under load.

I added fluid to the radiator reservoir, but I can't get that darn square nut/bolt off to drain it back to the proper level so the thermo-siphon will operate properly (I guess-- by the way does the Thermo-siphon suck or just blow? ;) )

I am also getting ready to pull the carb off as it looks like the needle valve is sticking (one of them there rubber tipped goombas) and I might be having a little stickyness to the floats.

Oh yeah, I can't seem to keep the idle speed working, either.

So my questions are these: 1) Does all this sound like I am working sensibly? 2) Does anyone know where I can get a total brass valve solution for my MS-carb? 3) In the parts catalog (Binder's Books) p 77, items 6 and 7 from the diagrma on p 76, are the metal fuel line and the coupling nuts for the A/B models. Does anyone know where these items can be purchased new or a place where a suitable replacement can be had-- mine are starting to leak from all the work I have been doing and the fitting nuts are worn (that way when I got the tractor-- like someone worked them with pliers instead of a wrench.) The part Nos. I require are: 58138 DX for the line and 29899 D for the coupling nuts.

Once again, thanks for all the support and sage wisdom before I receive it.

Christopher

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Christopher S. Dunn

07-25-2004 09:58:29




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 Re: Metal Fuel Line on A in reply to Christopher S. Dunn, 07-23-2004 09:49:31  
Okay, thanks for the input. I have a fuel line with a rubber section in between the metal parts (like that when I got it, I put a new fuel hose section in it, though) and I gave that a healthy squeeze 2x and restarted. It ran for about 8 seconds and died. I repeated and she continued to run.

I idled her down, put her in gear (no PTO) and started for the house. Immediately she stuttered and "bucked" under load. By fits and starts, I got the tractor back to the house and let her run there and played with the idle speed a bit (idles too high right now.)

I let her run outside like that for about 20 minutes and no problems. The water temp seems okay, the tractor is running relatively smoothly. So I climb aboard, engage the PTO, put her in 2nd and take her for a big circle in the 'yard.' 2 seconds later and she's stuttering like before. I get her back to the place where I work on her and leave her in neutral and running. Still okay. Still running as I write this.

I do have a new sediment bowl and I placed the fitting into the tank about 1/2" high instead of the original 1/4" to eliminate crud going down the tube, though I get that is not a guaranty.

So, as I write this, I note the tractor is no longer running. I go out and try to start it and no go. I squeeze the line and then attempt again. I go, "Wonder if there is crud over the sediment bowl fitting into the tank?" I open the cap and put my lighter right over the hole... just kidding... I used my flashlight after I turned it on away from the tank (its a little `un) and I shined it down there over the hole. There was something there. From where I was standing, I decided to give the rubber fuel line section a squeeze to observe the goings on. Sure enough, the crud pops up out of the hole with some bubbles. I do it again and something else pops out, and then falls right back in. In the old line of work I was in, we'd call that a 'smoking gun.'

So I am leaning toward emptying the tank, pulling the lines and cleaning them out with a brush, air or both.

I have a job to complete and cannot afford to take several days to do the acetic/muriatic acid thing with the tank and let dry. Is there some other fluid (beyond gasoline) that I can flush the tank with, blow out, and then get started within a 24 hour period or should I just blow it out and not use a fluid of any kind?

NOTE: This tank method I propose is intended to see me through this job and then I can do more long term methods...

Thanks again for all your input (even when I don't like hearing it...) and I welcome further assistance in this matter. (my formal voice, sorry.)

Christopher

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Rock

07-25-2004 19:08:06




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 Re: Re: Metal Fuel Line on A in reply to Christopher S. Dunn, 07-25-2004 09:58:29  
If you need the tractor and a temp fix you can probally just take the tank off and pour out the old gas and take an air gun with a long extension on it and blow very close around the inside. Put a little gas back in and slosh it around and pour back out. repeat about twice and most of the loose material should come out enough to last for a while. Did this on my 200 to get me through the hay season last year. hope this goes well and will only be a temp fix. May want to put a soft fuel line on it and add an inline fuel filter when you have time.


Rock

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farmallman

07-23-2004 19:41:32




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 Re: Metal Fuel Line on A in reply to Christopher S. Dunn, 07-23-2004 09:49:31  
First of all, I have to disagree with CNKS. Don't consider your tractor to be light duty. I have a super A, and use it with a 5' PT bush hog to cut 40 acres with no problem. Your problem is probably with the magneto. They will cause the tractor to shut off, when they get hot. Go ahead and convert it to 12 volt. It can be done for little money. Just remember to use a voltage reducer to keep from burning up the points. If you plan on using it for heavy work, you might want to put a water pump on it. Yes, you can add a water pump. You can find one for about $120. The same pump for a super C will fit it. It's a simple bolt-on setup. It will help keep proper oil pressure and you won't have to add water as often.

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CNKS

07-24-2004 09:52:40




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 Re: Re: Metal Fuel Line on A in reply to farmallman, 07-23-2004 19:41:32  
I was referring to some other problems he has had, such as shearing woodruff keys inside the pto, and actually breaking the pto housing on another occasion. He is using the tractor for heavier use than it was intended for, such as cutting brush. I have 5 Farmalls, including a Super A and know what I can and can not use them far. Drove my first one in 1950. The A/Super A is an amazing tractor for what it can do for it's size, but any tractor has it's limits. The magneto problem is the coil or condensor, just like a distributer.

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Rock

07-23-2004 18:40:02




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 Re: Metal Fuel Line on A in reply to Christopher S. Dunn, 07-23-2004 09:49:31  
Sounds like a coil or condenser as when they get hot and if they are bad they will cause the tractor to cut off as if a switch was cut off or die slowly. If it cranks easily when cool and not when hot then that could be your problem. I dont think you have a coolant problem as if it got that hot and made the engine shut down I think you would know it because the engine would be ruined as CNKS said. Leave the coolant level alone because the overflow tube will blow out what is not needed. Just some tips. My A would seem to die when hot and it was a bad condenser. Coil will do the same thing. Good Luck

Rock

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Rock

07-24-2004 19:00:53




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 Re: Re: Metal Fuel Line on A in reply to Rock, 07-23-2004 18:40:02  
My Mag give me problems and I bypassed it to a 6-volt coil. If you need exact steps to do this let me know and I can look at my A because it has been a couple of years since I have done this. It is easy to do. The tractor can still look original if it is done right also.


Rock



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Dave

07-23-2004 18:57:56




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 Re: Re: Metal Fuel Line on A in reply to Rock, 07-23-2004 18:40:02  
Rock:

How about an A with Magneto? I Don't know much about magnetos...is there a condenser in there also? My A also quits when hot...gets to a certain point and I hear it slowly die on me. Is it a big deal to change this on an A with a Magneto?

Thanks,
Dave



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CNKS

07-23-2004 19:27:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Metal Fuel Line on A in reply to Dave, 07-23-2004 18:57:56  
Coil is on top, condensor is behind grounding wire screw, if I remember right.



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CNKS

07-23-2004 18:24:04




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 Re: Metal Fuel Line on A in reply to Christopher S. Dunn, 07-23-2004 09:49:31  
Thermosyphon is a convection system. The coolant level will take care of itself, out the overflow or whatever. Just fill it. If the tractor is getting hot enough to shut down, you have ruined the engine. More likely you have a fuel flow or a coil problem. I hate to be nasty, but you have a light duty tractor. It is not a Super M. With all your problems, you are abusing it. Good luck.



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big fred

07-23-2004 10:39:31




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 Re: Metal Fuel Line on A in reply to Christopher S. Dunn, 07-23-2004 09:49:31  
Make your own fuel line from steel brake line of the same O.D. My B uses hardware store compression type fittings both ends and seems to work fine.

You could also use copper tube, but run the risk of the copper work-hardening from the vibration and splitting or breaking. This could result in fire. And steel brake line is just as easy to bend as copper line, so why risk it?



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