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Paul in Mich

07-11-2004 16:49:21




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We had a tractor show in Midland Michigan this weekend and among the among the many fine and sometimes unusual tractors was a 340T crawler with serial number 501. Everyone assumed it to be the first one in production. Quite unusual indeed for our town. Also a 1939 A serial number 703 was there. A guy from Travers City brought a Grader powered by a 1946 M. There must have been 20 or more SMTA's in addition to one SMDTA. Sure did make my 52 H seem insignificant.

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Hugh MacKay

07-11-2004 17:25:40




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 Re: Serial #501 in reply to Paul in Mich, 07-11-2004 16:49:21  
Paul: Sounds like a good show, those MTA's would overwhelm the H just a bit. Must have been a few more H's though. The A number 703 I'm expect would be without starter or even a hole for one?

This 340 crawler raises a few question for me as I don't think they sold that in Canada. We had a Crawler that looked to be same size sold as a T5 or TD5, gas and diesel. It used the same power train as the British built B-275 wheel tractor. It did however use American sheet metal as in the 240, 340, etc. It seems to me I saw Guy Fay mention this T5 and TD5 were the only tractors IH ever assembled at Hamilton ON.

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Guy Fay

07-11-2004 19:45:58




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 Re: Re: Serial #501 in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-11-2004 17:25:40  
Nope- 500s were assembled in Hamilton.



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Hugh MacKay

07-12-2004 03:39:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Serial #501 in reply to Guy Fay, 07-11-2004 19:45:58  
Guy: Kind of curious about the T5 and TD5, with American sheet metal and British power train, (not sure the entire power train was British as they did have TA or forward reverse, but engine was B-275) I some how can't believe it was built in Britain with American steel metal. If it had been American built IH would have just shipped in the 340. I guess the T5 and TD5 must have just dropped out of the sky.

I see the 500 crawler in a 1968 Canadian buyers guide. The T5 and TD5 came before that and had 240, 340, etc sheet metal. For reasons I listed above, sounds like a Hamilton job to me.

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Paul in Mich

07-11-2004 19:28:19




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 Re: Re: Serial #501 in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-11-2004 17:25:40  
Hugh, There were a lot of H's as there usually are at any show, but the TA's seemed to be comming out of the woodwork. Most guys agreed that perhaps the abundance of TA's may be because this is the 50th aniversary. I'll be curious to know how many show up at other shows. As for the 39 A ser # 703, the thing that immediately got my attention was its low number because my grandfather bought one of the very first A's, and it was on the first carload shipped to Michigan. I don't know the serial #, so I was scanning this tractor with a fine toothed comb searching for any tell tale sign that it could have possibly been "his" tractor. I'm certain it wasnt because his had PTO and pulley and this one doesn't, and it had an original seat and Grandpa's had been converted to Monroe EZ ride, which isnt to say that someone put it back to original status, but its unlikely. You're right, it was hand crank only with no starter hole just as Grandpa's was. Of course, that first carload that came to Michigan ended up in Saginaw, so who is to say it wasnt on the same shippment. Makes interesting speculation and wonderment, to say the least.

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Milton

07-12-2004 07:29:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Serial #501 in reply to Paul in Mich, 07-11-2004 19:28:19  
Good Morning Paul, --- 12 / July / 2004 ---

1. The international "T-4"; "T-5"; "TD-5"; and the "500" crawlers were made at the IH Plant at Hamilton, Ontario / Canada.

2. The International "TD-5" was also made at the IH Plants in England and Germany.

3. The International "T-340" and "T-340A" was made in USA.

4. It pays to look at the SERIAL NUMBER tag of the "TD-5" and see what country that it was made.

Regards, Milton

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Hugh MacKay again

07-12-2004 15:12:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Serial #501 in reply to Milton, 07-12-2004 07:29:49  
Milton: Just noticed you said TD5 only in Britain and Germany. That makes sence Europeans weren't much into gassers even in the 1950s and 60s.



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Milton

07-14-2004 08:05:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Serial #501 in reply to Hugh MacKay again, 07-12-2004 15:12:22  
Good Morning Hugh, --- 14 / July / 2004 ---

1. Yes, the International TD-5 was made in England from 1963 to 1967 / less than 100 being made there. I don't about the the sheet medal (US ??).

2. Yes, the International TD-5 was made in Germany from mid 1961 to end of 1962 / no production available.

3. Paul, The International T-340 (and T-340A) and the TD-340 (and TD-340A)were made in US, I will have to look up the production years.

Regards, Milton

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Hugh MacKay

07-12-2004 15:04:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Serial #501 in reply to Milton, 07-12-2004 07:29:49  
Milton: Thanks for that bit of info. Did the T4, T5 and TD5 built in England and Germany use European or American sheet metal?



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Paul in Mich

07-12-2004 08:10:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Serial #501 in reply to Milton, 07-12-2004 07:29:49  
Milton, Your reply is more to what Hugh MacKay was saying, but I'm sure he will read it regardless. The 340T in question was originally sold in Breckenridge Michigan, which is 20 miles from the Midland show and has spent its entire working life in the same neighborhood, so it hasnt traveled far. In fact the present owner baught it from its original owner with the idea of using it for small landscaping jobs, but upon reading the serial # decided it had more value as a collector item than what he was initially buying it for.

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