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Run on and backfires

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Dave H (MI)

06-30-2004 12:00:50




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Let me start by saying that I am not and probably never will be a mechanic. I can fix things if I understand the problem, though. The tractor is an MTA and it works for a living making hay. It smokes slightly on start-up but when warmed up you don't notice a thing. When stopped the tractor wants to run-on and can take 10-15 seconds to finally shut down. It often will backfire loudly when it finally shuts off. It will also pop loudly if the throttle is shut down too fast. Is there a common cause of this type of thing? Any tips on what to start looking at to remedy the situation? Tractor roars to life instantly when the starter is pulled, no matter the time of year or how long it sat idle. Sure could use some advice from those more experienced!

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Ben in KY

07-01-2004 06:35:12




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 Re: Run on and backfires in reply to Dave H (MI), 06-30-2004 12:00:50  
My 2444 did the same thing, but maybe not quite as bad. I switched to premium ( 93 octane ) gas and the problem went away.



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Dave H (MI)

07-01-2004 06:26:17




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 Re: Run on and backfires in reply to Dave H (MI), 06-30-2004 12:00:50  
Thank you all very much! I will run thru some of the suggestions and accept what I cannot fix. It is a good running tractor, I don't want to go overboard and change that. Thanks again.



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CNKS

06-30-2004 18:14:25




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 Re: Run on and backfires in reply to Dave H (MI), 06-30-2004 12:00:50  
Don't let it run any length of time after the switch is off. Closing the choke will usually do it -- I do that routinely on my M. If not then leave it in gear when you shut it off, apply the brakes and let out the clutch. You likely have hot spots caused by carbon deposits, which cause your engine to diesel. Not much you can do except pull the head and clean out the carbon.



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Bob M

06-30-2004 13:47:00




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 Re: Run on and backfires in reply to Dave H (MI), 06-30-2004 12:00:50  
A couple observations:

1 – The SMTA engine can be prone to running on – especially if fitted with high performance pistons and/or an LPG head. The lower quality unleaded gasoline we get these days doesn’t help.

Solutions include setting the slow idle RPM as low as possible and making sure the carb idle mixture is set properly. Sometimes switching to a lower heat range plug – or changing plug brands – can help. Fully close the throttle then wait until the RPM settles before hitting the kill switch. And if the engine has been working hard let it slow idle for 2 – 3 minutes before shutting down. Finally using premium gas can help. But fuel is too expensive as it is – I’d rather let it run on a few seconds or drag it to a stop with the clutch than pay extra for 93 octane! Also keep in mind that while running on may be annoying it really doesn’t hurt anything.

(Incidentally ignition timing has no effect whatsoever on running on. Once the ignition is turned off, “ignition timing” is a meaningless concept….)

2 – Backfiring out the exhaust under sudden no-load throttle closure (which also happens while going downhill with the wheels driving the engine) is pretty much normal. However if backfiring is excessive look for timing out of spec (set too late) or an inoperative centrifugal spark advance inside the distributor.

3 – Finally a single, shotgun-like report up the exhaust after the engine finally stops rolling on shutdown is not unusual either – consider it part of the “charm” of an running old tractor! (Though I’ve had it split a muffler shell before…) It can be minimized/eliminated doing the things listed in #1 above.

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Aces

06-30-2004 12:56:33




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 Re: Run on and backfires in reply to Dave H (MI), 06-30-2004 12:00:50  
Dave your idel is most likly to fast and timing to fastas for the backfire when throttle is backed off that just means she is running good. On a SMTA I would let it cool oof good and then kill it with the clutch cause if it kicks back ward that is bad for the TA.



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lee

06-30-2004 12:43:16




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 Re: Run on and backfires in reply to Dave H (MI), 06-30-2004 12:00:50  
several things. If not tuned up recently maybe go thru it with new plugs points, rotor, cap wires, etc.. Check for carbon soot deposits on plugs or too hot or cold a plug. Maybe run a hotter plug or lean it a bit if too rich, depends. Never choke it too much or too long to start or warm up as it will build carbon soot deposits. It may have excessive carbon build-up on the piston crowns and heads or valves. Some guys have told of spraying a mist of water in the carb while running hot to clear carbon. Don't know. Check and set the timing as it may be too advanced. I have an A that when run hard will diesel some on shut down. I usually just shut it down in gear with clutch in and release clutch to kill it quickly when I hit the stop switch. This doesn't usually for me happen unless the tractor has been run hard on a hot day.

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