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Joe

06-19-2004 17:50:41




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I know this is a stupid question but I wanted to check to make sure I'm doing it right. My 504 has been having trouble keeping a charge lately. I pulled and charged the battery and it fired right up. Pull the battery termal off and it died right out. If I take my multi meter and check the output side of the generator I should get 12v even with the battery disconnected right?




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El Toro

06-21-2004 16:26:25




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 Re: Checking a generator in reply to Joe, 06-19-2004 17:50:41  
Hi Joe, Checkout Eric on Page 1 and see BobM's
advice on troubleshooting generator problems. He has a troubleshooting chart that you can copy. It is very detail. Good advice on using an anolog
meter. Hal



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El Toro

06-21-2004 04:59:07




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 Re: Checking a generator in reply to Joe, 06-19-2004 17:50:41  
Hi Joe, When you hold the test leads on the battery post with the engine running at fast idle
you should be getting 13.5 to 14.5 volts across
your battery terminals.

If it isn't showing voltage in this range your regulator or generator is the problem.
I think you have a generator problem since the engine should run off the generator if you remove
a battery cable. Put the red test lead on the armature post, it may just have an A stamped near the post and ground the negative lead. You can do this with the engine running at a fast idle.
you should read the output voltage of the generator. I have my hour meter hooked to mine
and it only reads voltage when the engine is running. Hope this helps. Hal

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Bob

06-19-2004 19:22:15




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 Re: Checking a generator in reply to Joe, 06-19-2004 17:50:41  
A 12 volt battery, after sitting a few hours, will show about 12.5 volts. To charge the battery, the generator output needs to be in the 13.5 volt to 14.5 volt range, as controlled by the voltage regulator.

Although some will argue with this advice, it is best NOT to be pulling the battery cable off with the tractor running.

Check the battery voltage with the tractor revved up to 3/4 speed or so. If the battery voltage is below the range I've listed, check right at the generator "A" terminal. If the voltage is still low there, TEMPORARILY "full field" the generator by jumpering the "F" terminal on the generator to ground. If this brings the voltage up, suspect the regulator, and check the wiring between the generator and regulator. If "full fielding" the generator does not make it charge above 13.5 volts, you have generator problems.

Engine electrical and ignition systems make a lot of electrical noise, which can screw up cheap digital meters, and cause inaccurate readings. I usually use an analog meter around this equipment, or a quality digital meter.

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Doug in OR

06-20-2004 10:13:29




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 Re: Re: Checking a generator in reply to Bob, 06-19-2004 19:22:15  
I agree, Bob. Besides, removing the load from a generator (as in - disconnecting the battery) doesn't really tell you much. And if the battery has a shorted cell, it might load the generator to the point to where it cannot produce the needed 13.5+ volts. You have to weigh the voltage output versus the current produced. If you have a known good battery, just go for the voltage check, as described by Bob.

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