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Brake band hell on a '47 H

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Dave in CT

06-18-2004 18:54:46




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I've a problem with not being able to adjust my left side (clutch pedal side) brake into the 1.5" of free play. I can get it to produce some drag just at the end of the adjustment but that's about it. I thought it was wear and ordered a new band - Agricultural and Industrial Products - PN: A-58344DCX - BRAKE BAND ASSY - Replacement Part for INTL HARVESTOR - but that came to about the same point on the adjustment. I took my brakes apart again and measured everything. The drums are the same circumference so it's not one having been turned and the other not. I took the band off my right side (brake pedal side) and put it on the left side and the adjustment came up just as short. I checked the orientation of the bands and the cam assemblies that attach to the levers - all were oriented correctly.

After seeing other posts with exactly the same problem, I'm beginning to wonder if this may have been a condition of some of the production? Has anyone found an easy work-around to solve this? I'm considering finding a relining place to put an extra-thick lining on my band or cutting one of the ends off a band and riveting it up a little shorter. Is there anything I'm overlooking? TIA

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Bart

06-19-2004 03:11:19




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 Re: Brake band hell on a '47 H in reply to Dave in CT, 06-18-2004 18:54:46  
I had brake drums turned on my 44 M Farmall and ran out of adjustment. I took off the adjuster (with the spring on it) and drilled a second hole for the mount pin. It gave me more adjustment and worked real fine.Dick in Vermont.



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riverbend

06-18-2004 20:26:08




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 Re: Brake band hell on a '47 H in reply to Dave in CT, 06-18-2004 18:54:46  
I am of the opinion that a lot of aftermarket parts, brake bands in particular are junk. It has been a while, but I think that I had to take the lock nut off the brake rod yoke to get it to work.

If you compare the thickness of the backing on an original to the aftermarket, you will find that the originals are about half again thicker. I have not checked it out, but maybe that is enough to cause the problems with the adjuster.

My leg is not any bigger than anyone else's, but I broke three of the aftermarket bands, in six months, while using the tractor. Mostly the spot welds that hold the eye ripped out , on one the band cracked apart at the welds. The IH bands are riveted.

It seemed like a safety issue to me, so I went back to IH and have not had a problem since. I do use the brakes to turn the tractor, especially when using the field cultivator, disk, or planter, but that what they appear to be there for, one for the right side and one for the left....

You might try a genuine IH band and see if you can get the adjustment to work with that. The IH bands were about $2 more than the aftermarket ones.

Greg

ps Where are you in CT ? We lived in Colchester for about 10 years.

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Dave in CT

06-18-2004 20:37:27




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 Re: Re: Brake band hell on a '47 H in reply to riverbend, 06-18-2004 20:26:08  
How about that - I live in Hebron, next town over. Might you have met Dennis at D.H. Marvin's? He's seems to be the chief fellow in the service department - Colchester's John Deere dealership.

I'll try an IH band - the band I compared my new aftermarket band to was another aftermarket band.

If that doesn't work someone suggested finding a relining company and finding out if they can rivet thicker bands on.

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riverbend

06-18-2004 20:56:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Brake band hell on a '47 H in reply to Dave in CT, 06-18-2004 20:37:27  
We lived on Windham Road. I remember Loren, but I am not sure about Dennis. They seemed like pretty good guys.

The brake outfit here charges almost as much for relining a band as a new one costs.



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MN Charlie

06-18-2004 20:07:48




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 Re: Brake band hell on a '47 H in reply to Dave in CT, 06-18-2004 18:54:46  
Dave;

I have run into the same thing a few times on "H" and "M" tractors with band brakes that will not adjust up. What I have found was two different things that require close inspection.

1. Where the arm attaches to the cam on the out side of the cover there is a woodruft key (halfmoon) that fits the slot in the arm. I have seen those slots become wore enough allowing the arm to turn so you loose the ability to adjust like you are talking about.

2. I have also seen the welds on the cam break where the ears for the pins that pull on the brake bands were fasten to the shaft. A crack will develop in the weld. This is from all the twisting over the last 57 years, The cam twist every time you step on the brakes, and sooner or later the weld gives away. You will have to remove the cam from the cover and clean it up real good to see the crack.

Thirdly, Just so you are aware of this when you go looking for some parts, there also is a different part number for the arm and the cam for the Right side and the Left side of the tractor.

I hope this helps, post back when you find the problem as it will help other H and M owners.

Good Luck MN Charlie

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Dave in CT

06-18-2004 20:30:34




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 Re: Re: Brake band hell on a '47 H in reply to MN Charlie, 06-18-2004 20:07:48  
I think the woodruff key slot is O.K. on either side. Actually, I've had a couple of folks who've had a fair amount of experience on heavy equipment say they thought the tractor had low hours by the play in the pedals, etc. The arms the woodruff key locks don't really wobble at all on the shaft so I think that link is sound. I looked at the welds on the cams and didn't see anything like a crack but I didn't do a close inspection so, the next time I'm in there I'll do a full wash with solvent and see if I can see anything.

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CNKS

06-18-2004 19:05:05




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 Re: Brake band hell on a '47 H in reply to Dave in CT, 06-18-2004 18:54:46  
Lot of difference in the fit of different brands of brake bands -- a couple of mine have been the opposite, too tight. Don't know if this will help or not (you probably have already done it): before making the actual adjustment, you are supposed to tighten the screw in the bottom of the brake cover as far as it will go, the back off 1/4 turn and lock it. As far as an IH factory defect, I doubt it.

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Dave in CT

06-18-2004 20:41:43




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 Re: Re: Brake band hell on a '47 H in reply to CNKS, 06-18-2004 19:05:05  
Yeah, I forgot to mention I'd adjusted the anti-rider bolts (that's what I call them, anyway) on the bottom so that's not it. Now if you could only tell me the name of the company and part number of the too-tight bands, maybe we can solve one another's problems. I think I'll try the genuine IH band and go from there. I should've done that before suggesting it was the company's fault.



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CNKS

06-19-2004 09:29:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Brake band hell on a '47 H in reply to Dave in CT, 06-18-2004 20:41:43  
The too-tight ones were Case-IH, but they were for a C.



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little john

06-19-2004 03:54:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Brake band hell on a '47 H in reply to Dave in CT, 06-18-2004 20:41:43  
The bands that I got from Case/IH dealer were very tight. I had to back the screw at the bottom all the way out and barely got the bands to fit inside the cover.



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Mike in CT

06-19-2004 05:57:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Brake band hell on a '47 H in reply to little john, 06-19-2004 03:54:18  
Dave I just had a set relined, haven't put them on yet. The place is all frictions and he's located behind the napa in portland not to far from you.
Mike



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Dave in CT

06-19-2004 06:29:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Brake band hell on a '47 H in reply to Mike in CT, 06-19-2004 05:57:58  
How much did they cost? - if you don't mind my asking.



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Mike in CT

06-19-2004 13:04:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Brake band hell on a '47 H in reply to Dave in CT, 06-19-2004 06:29:57  
I paid $140 cash, a little bit more than the aftermarket pieces but I think well worth the extra price.
Mike



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