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IH 2 disk breaking plow questions

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John (AZ)

06-16-2004 02:43:59




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I recently purchased a IH 2 disk plow that is large and heavy but I see no model ID on it just the IHC logo. This plow has an adjustable height tail wheel. The disks and tail wheel are roughly 24" dia. and the tail wheel is adjusted up and down with a handle that is about 3 ft. long, the tail wheel is attached to plow frame by a heavy casting. total plow lenght is about 5-6 Ft.
This plow has a bar at the front to attach to the draw bar on my H but this bar was fabricatedby someone and has one "clevis" in the center to hook to the draw bar.
Now after I got it home and hooked up to the tractor the plow doesn't track properly and keeps tilting to one side or the other.
So now I'm looking better at this plow and decide it must have been a semi mounted plow at some point. But I don't belive all the mounting parts are there.
I know this discription is kind of sketchy at best but does anyone have any idea What plow model it might be so I can find any pictures of what is supposed to be there to mount this to tractor.
I'm thinking this plow would have to have something to lift the plow clear of the ground so you can turn the tractor. I can do this with the tail wheel but I have to dismount the tractor to raise the plow and the tail wheel is designed not to pivot. I would think this isn't the way it is supposed to be.
I'm sure you have already figured out I have not had any experience with any plows and neither did the fellow I bought this plow from so he's no help!

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CNKS

06-17-2004 08:04:45




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 Re: IH 2 disk breaking plow questions in reply to John (AZ), 06-16-2004 02:43:59  
To clarify some of the posts below. The photo in the picture is a semi-mounted version of the trail behind "one-ways" also called "tillers" a primary tillage tool used in the Plains states, also other parts of the country. Runs relatively shallow and does not completely bury the residue as a moldboard plow does. The H/M 150, is as stated, a semimounted disk plow. It works the same as a moldboard, will go as deep as soil conditions and the tractor pulling it allow, turns the soil over just like a moldboard. This type of plow also comes in pull behind versions, like the trailing moldboard. Used mainly in drier climates, it can't be used in soil conditions as wet as can the moldboard because the disks won't scour as good as a moldboard will, although scrapers can be used. Pulls easier than a moldboard, an H can easily pull the H/M 150 with 3 disks, although certainly not as deep or as fast as an M. Spent many hours with the 3-disk version mounted to an H. Soil was a silt loam. Was always glad to get the thing off and do something else.

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Sid

06-17-2004 03:29:28




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 Re: IH 2 disk breaking plow questions in reply to John (AZ), 06-16-2004 02:43:59  
John, I have an Owners Manual and Parts Book for the HM-150 Disk Plow, but I haven't got a plow. If you want to compare it with your plow I can e-mail the manual to you. Sid.



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Ron

06-17-2004 12:20:35




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 Re: Re: IH 2 disk breaking plow questions in reply to Sid, 06-17-2004 03:29:28  
Sid Could you email a copy of the manual also Thank you in advance



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John (AZ)

06-17-2004 08:20:56




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 Re: Re: IH 2 disk breaking plow questions in reply to Sid, 06-17-2004 03:29:28  
Sid,
I'd really appreciate it if you could email me that manual! It looks like you didn't leave a email address so I hope you find this.
Thanks,
John



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Sid

06-18-2004 04:05:26




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 Re: Re: Re: IH 2 disk breaking plow questions in reply to John (AZ), 06-17-2004 08:20:56  
John, Send your email address to spleq@xtra.co.nz and I will get the scans through to you tonight. Sid.



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John (AZ)

06-16-2004 15:46:29




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 Re: IH 2 disk breaking plow questions in reply to John (AZ), 06-16-2004 02:43:59  
I posted a picture on the implements photo area



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Jimmy King

06-17-2004 05:21:03




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 Re: Re: IH 2 disk breaking plow questions in reply to John (AZ), 06-16-2004 15:46:29  
John that plow is not an H M 150 the disc are on a common shaft which says it is a one way plow what kind I have no idea. Picture 762 in the imp photos is an A151 the hitch is different than a H M 150 but from there back they are made idenical. We also had a Super A and a A151



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Haas

06-16-2004 18:34:54




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 Re: Re: IH 2 disk breaking plow questions in reply to John (AZ), 06-16-2004 15:46:29  
John, that plow is different than any I ever saw. It has the disks mounted on one shaft. The one I am familiar with has individual bearings and mountings for each disk. That is the one most of the replys here are about. The one in your picture does look to have the rod for steering the back wheel, but looks to be fixed now. If you could find someone with a parts catalog for H and M implements, you might find it in there.

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LWWinPA

06-16-2004 15:20:14




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 Re: IH 2 disk breaking plow questions in reply to John (AZ), 06-16-2004 02:43:59  
Jimmy if you look at the implement poto galleries on about the 3rd page is what I think you are talking about



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Jimmy King

06-17-2004 05:28:44




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 Re: Re: IH 2 disk breaking plow questions in reply to LWWinPA, 06-16-2004 15:20:14  
Yes this is a disc bottom plow only it is a Fergision. Go to picture 762 in that section. This plow is for a super A the hitch is different, but from there back it is idenical to the H M 150.



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Jimmy King

06-16-2004 05:27:21




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 Re: IH 2 disk breaking plow questions in reply to John (AZ), 06-16-2004 02:43:59  
John it sounds like you have an HM150 built for a H OR M at the front of the plow there should be brackets to mount on the axle brackets the draw bar must be removed, and if I remember right you need another set of axle brackets or must move the drawbar brackets. The bar in front hooks to a plow drawbar under the tractor bellie this drawbar fastins the the clutch housing the cross bar is a solid round bar about 1 5/8 ?? the clevis you talk about goes over it and the pin goes on the back side hooking the plow tongue to it. The axle brackets are what holds the plow upright. It is what I would call a semi mounted plow. There should be a rod from the tail wheel to a bell crank at the front of the plow and anouther rod from other side of the bellcrank to an arm fastened to the front bolster to guide the plow. When the tractor wheels turn left the plow wheel will turn right and vice versa. I am not too good at describing things, but I hope this helps.

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Haas

06-16-2004 04:55:08




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 Re: IH 2 disk breaking plow questions in reply to John (AZ), 06-16-2004 02:43:59  
I don't know the model number of the plow you have, but I think this plow is like the one I plowed many hours with years ago on an MD. The beam is long enough to add another disk, so it can be a three disk plow which is the way I used it. The plow is a semi mounted plow. The V shaped bar at the front with the clevis is not hooked to the drawbar, but rather to a frame that mounts under the middle of the tractor in the lift all area. The clevis attaches to a heavy bar that is designed so the attach point can be shifted side to side to adjust for wheel settings, etc. There should be a bar and lifting assembly that fastens to the rear axle of the tractor. That assembly is only for lifting and does not take any of the draft. It should have some hydraulic cylinders with it, as the plow was designed to lift with the lift all. Also, there is a bar that goes from a lever at the rear wheel to steer the rear wheel. That bar goes to a swivel mechanism near the front of the plow and then another bar goes from there to a bracket that attaches to the two bolt holes at the front of the tractor front wheels. Thus when the front wheels are turned, it steers the plow rear wheel. I assume the plow you have is for an H or M (same plow fits both). There were similar plows(likely with manual lift) for the F series tractors. I don't know if those could be made to work on an H. Hope this helps!

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Don Swindall

06-25-2004 08:32:22




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 Re: Re: IH 2 disk breaking plow questions in reply to Haas, 06-16-2004 04:55:08  
I have 2 of these braking plows. One is a fast single point, the other is a 3 point hookup. If I can remember to, I will take pictures of both so you can see them. I use both of these, just depends on which tractor I use, 100 or 130.
Don



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Allan in NE

06-16-2004 03:16:08




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 Re: IH 2 disk breaking plow questions in reply to John (AZ), 06-16-2004 02:43:59  
HI John,

Sorry, I haven't got a clue as to how they worked, but can offer that I've seen a lot of fields being turned by those old one-ways and they always came out of the ground on the corners.

They they would then go back and catch the unturned "Xs". Don't ever remember seeing those guys crawl down off the tractor during the proceedure either.

Allan



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Jimmy King

06-16-2004 05:30:36




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 Re: Re: IH 2 disk breaking plow questions in reply to Allan in NE, 06-16-2004 03:16:08  
Allan a 2 disc bottom plow is not the same thing as a 1 way disc plow.



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Allan in NE

06-16-2004 05:32:43




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 Re: Re: Re: IH 2 disk breaking plow questions in reply to Jimmy King, 06-16-2004 05:30:36  
Hi Jimmy,

Okay, what is a two disk plow then, and what was it used for? Just a different type of "plow"?

Allan



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Jimmy King

06-16-2004 09:24:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: IH 2 disk breaking plow questions in reply to Allan in NE, 06-16-2004 05:32:43  
Good question, a one way the disc are on a common shaft I don't know if they had scrapers when new or not, I have only seen them in pictures and in Ok and Ks. not here in the rocks of Southwest Mo, a 2,3, or 4 disc disc bottom plow the disc are individual units with scrapers and the scrapers are used to throw the dirt. When I was young disc bottom plows were all I had ever seen used around where I live because of the rocks, they gave way to auto reset bottom plows, offset plows, and belive it or not chiscel plows. The disc set at a straighter angle on a bottom disc plow than than a oneway does.

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Allan in NE

06-16-2004 09:27:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: IH 2 disk breaking plow questi in reply to Jimmy King, 06-16-2004 09:24:08  
Jimmy,

Did those discs mount to something like a 3" bar in a "clamping" fashion?

Allan



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Jimmy king

06-16-2004 09:53:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: IH 2 disk breaking plow qu in reply to Allan in NE, 06-16-2004 09:27:30  
IHC plows used a 3" by 3" (size could be wrong) bar from front to back I think we have one that clamps on side with bolts over and under bar, using a steel beam about 1" by 4"( again size could be wrong) with same size piece of steel on other side of bar the other plows we have had went bottom up the same way but the beam was weilded to a peice of steel. I don' remember which plows are which way my uncle still has an HM150 and also a trailer plow which when he and Dad farmed togather they bought. I think they made one round with the trailer and a hyd hose broke . They never used it again, it wouldn"t take the ground like the HM 150. The HM 150 was two or 3 disc ours was 3. I have a fast hitch 3 disc that the main beam is long enought to put a fourth disc on, I don't know the number of it.

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Jimmy King

06-16-2004 09:57:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: IH 2 disk breaking plo in reply to Jimmy king, 06-16-2004 09:53:23  
Also the disc were mounted with a large Timkin bearing that was adjustable. We greased them once a day and I don't remember ever having to adj. or replace one.



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