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Becker in IL

06-14-2004 16:37:43




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What is the difference in horsepower between a Farmall 300 and a 350.




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Ray in Pa.

06-15-2004 21:59:13




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 Re: 300 vs 350 in reply to Becker in IL, 06-14-2004 16:37:43  
Becker, Although I am at a loss to explain why, The chart that I saw on the Old OAK FARMALLS website;>Link

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Hugh MacKay

06-16-2004 03:17:29




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 Re: Re: 300 vs 350 in reply to Ray in Pa., 06-15-2004 21:59:13  
Ray: I presume you are looking at Nebraska test data. I doubt if there is a mistake on the weights pulled, as they also factor in mph for their drawbar rating.

On the weight and pulling ability of your 300, weight of tractor is not everything. It probably was when the 300 was new. I ran 13.6x38 tires, chloride and wheel weights on my Farmall 300 simply because it hauled a lot of hay and silage on hard ground. In a field working situation and with the advent of big horse power tractors, we are finding more rubber on the ground just as effective as added weight. I ran my 656 and 560 diesels on 16.9x38, 1066 on 20.8x38 duals, no added weight of any kind. I also had a 540A Deere forestry skidder 18.4x34 all around, no added weight, Pulled a 20' disk with the Deere. Those tractors probably could have pulled a lot more weighted, however on a dairy farm, pto are your big hp demand. I had no problems pulling a 25' field cultivator, 12 ton manure spreader or forage harvester with 20' wagons with 1066.

In the past ten years we have started seeing 42 and 46 inch tires on tractors and 4x4 on just about everything. This is being done to put more rubber on the ground and cut down pounds per square inch, thus reduce soil compaction as well. I was at a farm awhile back and one of those 8 wheel, 300 hp, articulated Deere's pulled into shop where there was about 2" threshold in doorway. That thing bounced just like a baloon would. I'd be willing to bet the ground bearing weight in pounds per square inch on that big Deere is probably about half what your 300 is. Your 300 will do well to pull in 2nd gear 3 times it's own weight on a flat bottom stone boat. My guess is that big articulated tractor is pulling 5 to 6 times it's own weight using the same criteria.

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Ray in Pa.

06-16-2004 20:34:18




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 Re: Re: Re: 300 vs 350 in reply to Hugh MacKay, 06-16-2004 03:17:29  
Thanks Hugh, Your right about tire width being important to a tractors pull power. I wondered if the Nebraska test of the Farmall 300 and 350 were done under identical setup's for the tests. I wonder what was done differently on the Farmall 350 test to achieve the extra pull. I figure that if the tractors where setup identically for the test with the same weight, tire sizes, same transmission gear setting, etc., then I would of figured that the 350 should of only pulled maybe only a few hundred pounds more due to its slight increase of torque. Since I have not seen the original test data information of the Nebraska tests, I now wonder what the difference was for the farmall 350's much larger extra pull power for the tests.

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sammy the RED

06-14-2004 18:34:28




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 Re: 300 vs 350 in reply to Becker in IL, 06-14-2004 16:37:43  
2.66 CHP drawbar h.p. for gasoline engine.



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CNKS

06-14-2004 17:59:21




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 Re: 300 vs 350 in reply to Becker in IL, 06-14-2004 16:37:43  
Other than the paint, a couple of HP and a slightly different fast hitch. 350 was also available with a diesel.



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Hugh MacKay

06-14-2004 18:27:10




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 Re: Re: 300 vs 350 in reply to CNKS, 06-14-2004 17:59:21  
CNKS: You just made me think of some info I read on the 350. According to the article I was reading, when this tractor was tested at Nebraska, it's drawbar horse power in percentage was closer to pto horsepower than any tractor ever tested well into the 1960's. I know you are knowledgable in Nebraska tests. Just wondered your thoughts on this. It is a long while since I read this and not sure just how accurate it was. I cant remember whether it was the gas or diesel model.

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CNKS

06-14-2004 18:55:48




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 Re: Re: Re: 300 vs 350 in reply to Hugh MacKay, 06-14-2004 18:27:10  
I have a book with the NE tests in it, don't refer to it very often. Farmall Gasoline 350 PTO HP, 40.71, drawbar 37.54. Farmall Diesel 350, 38.65 PTO, 36.26 drawbar. International Utility diesel (no gas test) 42.89 PTO, 40.42 drawbar. The 350 Farmall diesel weighed 4720 lbs and pulled 2648 lbs at 5.14 mph in 3rd gear. The 350 utility diesel weighed 4180 lbs and pulled 2813 lbs at 5.39 mph in 3rd gear -- I would have expected the Farmall to pull more than the utility, but what do I know?--it developed less HP from the same engine, I bet the utility engine was turned up higher. I don't know how the weight pulled was done, sled or what. Even so temperature and soil conditions will have some effect. Using the old tire sizes the Farmall had 12-38's, the Utility 13-28's. But, as to your original statement, the PTO and drawbar HP's are close.

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TDK

06-15-2004 09:41:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 300 vs 350 in reply to CNKS, 06-14-2004 18:55:48  
The Farmall 350D rated RPM is 1750 & International 350D is 2000. This probably accounts for H.P. difference. This was the case for gas versions as well. Does anyone know the reason IH did this?



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Dr.EVIL

06-15-2004 12:38:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 300 vs 350 in reply to TDK, 06-15-2004 09:41:15  
The International was a Utility tractor, not used for hours on end at full load in the field so they turned the governor up to make up some of the speed difference the shorter tires caused. Neighbor used to turn the governor of His 350 Farmall up every year after spring fieldwork was done. That tractor lived a hard life, as did Every Other tractor that Guy owned!



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