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Pa. Pete

06-10-2004 15:18:51




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I bought a Super A, my first tractor.

I'm looking at a side-sectional view of the transmission and differential, in my IH 'shop manual'. I can easily see how 1st through 4th gear are engaged, as they are slid forward or backwards on the splined-shaft, to engage with their respective counterparts on the countershaft. The apparently-unslideable reverse gear looks like it remains constantly meshed with a gear called the 'oiler-gear'.
My questions:
1) As the reverse-gear is on the same splined-shaft as the forward-gears, how is the reverse-rotation imparted from this gear to the bevel pinion to make the tractor go backwards? What is the gearshift lever engaging, to accomplish this?
2) What is the purpose of the oiler-gear?
3) The oiler-gear is considerably more slender than the reverse gear that drives it. Why so slender, if the oiler-gear is being used to drive the countershaft?

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lee

06-10-2004 16:53:09




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 Re: transmission theory ?s in reply to Pa. Pete, 06-10-2004 15:18:51  
the oiler gear is free wheeling on the countershaft. It is always running in mesh with the reverse gear which is pinned to the spline shaft. It just runs in the oil and lifts oil to a trough cast in the side of the case. The oil runs down the trough to lube certain areas of the trans.

There is a gear called the reverse idler mounted on a short shaft off to the side of the reverse gear. The reverse idler is engaged by a shift fork with the reverse gear and first gear to effect opposite direction rotation to the countershaft. I forget which side of the case the reverse idler is mounted on. You can't see it because it is either behind the splined shaft or has been cut away in the section view you are looking at. If you can see the 2 shift forks for first/second, third/fourth you can probably see a third fork just behind the first/second fork.
That is the reverse selector fork.

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Pa. Pete

06-10-2004 17:41:14




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 Re: Re: transmission theory ?s in reply to lee, 06-10-2004 16:53:09  
Lee, thanks. All I can see of that reverse idler shaft and idler gear, in the sectional view, is a piece of it's fork. The whole mechanism and how it works is now clear as the proverbial bell.
Appreciate it.

Leads to one last question. My transmission makes a what? 'grinding/whining'-like noise, which quits entirely with the clutch in, is present in neutral with the clutch out, and a good bit worse in gear and under load. If the noise is there in neutral, it's probably a bearing? (As the only other thing then engaged in there is the reverse/oiler/idler gears)

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lee

06-10-2004 19:37:53




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 Re: Re: Re: transmission theory ?s in reply to Pa. Pete, 06-10-2004 17:41:14  
Ok Pete, at least you have the idea. Maybe you have a bad bearing on the spline shaft.
It's possible. Anything is possible on these old machines. I have a BN tractor, same trans, no noticeable transmission noise in neutral, clutch out. All these tractors whine some in motion with the straight cut gears, shafts and bearings all going gang busters in there and the iron castings just telegraphing all that noise to the world. So maybe you got a bad bearing, maybe not. Someone with an ear for these machines may be able to help you diagnose it. It's pretty hard for me to say on the internet.

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Allan in NE

06-10-2004 18:32:27




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 Re: Re: Re: transmission theory ?s in reply to Pa. Pete, 06-10-2004 17:41:14  
Pete,

Find you the newest IH you can locate; any model. Listen to it, it will have a whine.

These things use bull gears; given, sometimes they are meshed with planetarys. They are gonna whine. It is the nature of the beast.

Allan



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Pa. Pete

06-10-2004 20:39:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: transmission theory ?s in reply to Allan in NE, 06-10-2004 18:32:27  
Again, thanks.

I can live with that. The tractor moves around fine. I'll look around for an experienced ear in this area, but it's not that the transmission is giving me any problems.

Love to learn, though! Appreciate your time.



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